[Merged]Brexit stuff

[SueEllen]

Brexit should be Brexit.

We should be no more linked to the EU than Canada is to the USA.

No passporting, no EU fees, no "free movement of people" (ie unfettered immigration into the UK), no EU laws, rules or regulations.

Out means 100% out, or it's meaningless.

Canada is very linked to the USA - both have free movement of their citizens for 6 months.

[AtW]

Canadian imports have to abide by EU laws, rules and regulations, so the UK will never be entirely free of that.

The cunning plan is two fold:

1. Deprive EU from UK exports

2. Make EU follow UK regulations when exporting to UK

Draft plan also had the third element (Profit!!!), but upon closer scrutiny it was removed from the cunning plan.

HTH

[AtW]

We should be no more linked to the EU than Canada is to the USA.

Mexico is probably a better example. That is - UK will become Mexico to EU. I plan to invest into business that will teach endurance swimming and primitive boat operation, it's going to be a big growth market.

[SueEllen]

Mexico is probably a better example. That is - UK will become Mexico to EU. I plan to invest into business that will teach endurance swimming and primitive boat operation, it's going to be a big growth market.

You are a bit late to the party.

France has already had to enforce rules to limit the number of cross channel swimmers.

[AtW]

You are a bit late to the party. France has already had to enforce rules to limit the number of cross channel swimmers.

My future business will teach how to swim to Cuba, and then it will be a very short hop to freedom...

BrilloPad could be instructor...

[centurian]

Canadian imports have to abide by EU laws, rules and regulations, so the UK will never be entirely free of that.

Which is fair enough, but at least small businesses that don't export get to ignore EU laws.

Looking at the Canada deal - they have 95% access to the single market - they don't have to pay a penny - and don't have to accept free movement.

So the question is - if we can get 95% for "nothing", then how much will it cost us for that extra 5% - and is it worth the cost. Is passporting really worth having to accept free movement - and pay a big wodge in access fees.

All that assumes we could get the same deal as Canada.

But this is also the first round in a poker play. If the EU think we are desperate to keep passporting - at any cost - they will exact a very high price. You have to make the other side believe you are prepared to walk away - that was the fatal mistake the Greeks made a few years ago - they wanted to remain in the EU at any cost - and the EU knew it.

[CretinWatcher]

Which is fair enough, but at least small businesses that don't export get to ignore EU laws.

Looking at the Canada deal - they have 95% access to the single market - they don't have to pay a penny - and don't have to accept free movement.

So the question is - if we can get 95% for "nothing", then how much will it cost us for that extra 5% - and is it worth the cost. Is passporting really worth having to accept free movement - and pay a big wodge in access fees.

All that assumes we could get the same deal as Canada.

But this is also the first round in a poker play. If the EU think we are desperate to keep passporting - at any cost - they will exact a very high price. You have to make the other side believe you are prepared to walk away - that was the fatal mistake the Greeks made a few years ago - they wanted to remain in the EU at any cost - and the EU knew it.

The Canada deal does not include services.
Which, as the EU is well aware, we depend on.

Here's a prediction: if we get that far, the EU won't budge on free movement.

[NigelJK]

Odd isn't it that a failing Business model, propped up by the Tax payer gets to say how to stuff their customers even more. Bet they can't make it pay even then.

RBS loses £2B

[original PM]

Odd isn't it that a failing Business model, propped up by the Tax payer gets to say how to stuff their customers even more. Bet they can't make it pay even then.

RBS loses £2B

Bet someone is making out like a bandit - just not the customer or the bank.

[sirja]

Which is fair enough, but at least small businesses that don't export get to ignore EU laws.

Looking at the Canada deal - they have 95% access to the single market - they don't have to pay a penny - and don't have to accept free movement.

So the question is - if we can get 95% for "nothing", then how much will it cost us for that extra 5% - and is it worth the cost. Is passporting really worth having to accept free movement - and pay a big wodge in access fees.

All that assumes we could get the same deal as Canada.

But this is also the first round in a poker play. If the EU think we are desperate to keep passporting - at any cost - they will exact a very high price. You have to make the other side believe you are prepared to walk away - that was the fatal mistake the Greeks made a few years ago - they wanted to remain in the EU at any cost - and the EU knew it.

While the deal does not impose acceptance of free movement, it does open up the area of 'inter company transfers. I would not be surprised to see lots of to see lots of low paid European workers suddenly appearing in Canada on such transfers.
...With regard to the supply of a service through the temporary presence of natural persons
(‘Temporary Entry’), the agreement contains important provisions, notably for intra-corporate
transferees, that will facilitate the activities of both European and Canadian professionals and
investors. Whenever investment is liberalised, inter-corporate transferees are guaranteed
access. Furthermore, both Canada and the EU undertake to allow companies to post their
intra-corporate transferees to Canada for up to 3 years regardless of their sector of activity. In
addition, the agreement guarantees for the first time that intra-corporate transferees may be
accompanied by their spouses and families when temporarily assigned to subsidiaries abroad.
Natural persons, who provide a service as so called ‘contractual service suppliers’ or
‘independent professionals’ will be able to stay in the other party for a period of 12 months
instead of 6 months as was the rule so far...
As I've been trying to tell you chaps, those EU negotiators are tough as nails. Best of luck to Davis.