[Merged]Brexit stuff

[Old Greg]

Actually the Germans got the first patent on a magnetron system for generating radar pulses in 1938, the Allies took that and improved on it but no-one uses them anymore as the pulses it generates can fluctuate considerably and there are much better ways of doing it.

Nigel lives in Frinton-on-Sea, so rejects any technological progress subsequent to 1953.

[NigelJK]

Actually the Germans got the first patent on a magnetron system for generating radar pulses in 1938,

Do you have a source for that? I was unaware they had any idea and as my granddad was part of the team that did some of the work I was under the impression that this went under the 'most secret' banner.

[jamesbrown]

Nigel lives in Frinton-on-Sea, so rejects any technological progress subsequent to 1953.

To be fair, it was a big flood.

[The_Equalizer]

Nigel lives in Frinton-on-Sea, so rejects any technological progress subsequent to 1953.

I believe he lives in Downe for what it is worth. It's rather nice too.

[DaveB]

Do you have a source for that? I was unaware they had any idea and as my granddad was part of the team that did some of the work I was under the impression that this went under the 'most secret' banner.

he first form of magnetron tube, the split-anode magnetron, was invented by Albert Hull in 1920, but it wasn't capable of high frequencies and was of little use. Similar devices were experimented with by many teams through the 1920s and 1930s. On November 27, 1935, Hans Erich Hollmann applied for a patent for the first multiple cavities magnetron, which he received on July 12, 1938,[1] but the more stable klystron was preferred for most German radars during World War II. The cavity magnetron tube was later improved by John Randall and Harry Boot in 1940 at the University of Birmingham, England.[2] The high power of pulses from their device made centimeter-band radar practical for the Allies of World War II, with shorter wavelength radars allowing detection of smaller objects from smaller antennas. The compact cavity magnetron tube drastically reduced the size of radar sets[3] so that they could be more easily installed in night-fighter aircraft, anti-submarine aircraft[4] and escort ships.[3]

In the post-war era the magnetron became less widely used in the radar role. This was because the magnetron's output changes from pulse to pulse, both in frequency and phase. This makes the signal unsuitable for pulse-to-pulse comparisons, which is widely used for detecting and removing "clutter" from the radar display.[5] The magnetron remains in use in some radars, but has become much more common as a low-cost microwave source for microwave ovens. In this form, approximately one billion magnetrons are in use today.[5][6]

Citations Below.

1 :US 2123728 « Magnetron » of Hans Erich Hollmann, requested by Telefunken GmbH
2 : "The Magnetron". Bournemouth University. 1995–2009. Retrieved 23 August 2009.
3 : a b Schroter, B. (Spring 2008). "How important was Tizard's Box of Tricks?" (PDF). Imperial Engineer. 8: 10.
4 : "Who Was Alan Dower Blumlein?". Dora Media Productions. 1999–2007. Retrieved 23 August 2009.
5 : a b Eli Brookner, "From $10,000 Magee to $7 Magee and $10 Transmitter and Receiver (T/R) on Single Chip", IEEE
6 : "3D Computer Modeling of Magnetrons." University of London Ph.D. Thesis. December 2004. Accessed 2009-08-23.

[NigelJK]

Thanks, I guess it was the compact form that did the hard work during WW2. It's always reported that the Germans did not know we had Radar, but I expect they didn't know we had them in the Aircraft. I believe we swapped the secret with the US for their high level bombing sights.

[AtW]

Brexit DOOM™: The City

Treasury looks at quitting the single market as City rejects Norway option after Brexit

The Government has begun considering leaving the single market for the first time, as the Treasury and the newly created Brexit department hold detailed talks with finance leaders over the best way to pull out of the EU.

A series of discussions have been held between the Chancellor Philip Hammond and top business lobby groups including the Confederation of British Industry (CBI), the British Bankers’ Association (BBA) and City of London Corporation to determine the value of the single market and whether so-called passporting rights are worth “fighting for”.

Officials say the talks have revealed a willingness among some top figures to scrap passporting despite early calls to stay in the single market from some quarters.

Passporting allows UK-based banks to set up branches in any part of the European Economic Area, which includes the EU, plus Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein, without having to be separately authorised by each nation.

The City of London Corporation’s policy chief, who attended the meeting last month, said the issue of passporting was key for the Treasury.

Mark Boleat said: “It’s no good having a wish list that’s not realistic – that’s not what the Government wants. What it wants to know is: does Brexit mean the loss of 5pc of investment banking jobs? In which case – OK.

“If it means the loss of 30pc of these jobs, then what’s the implication of tax revenue? Is passporting worth fighting for?”

However, Mr Boleat cast doubt over the UK’s ability to secure a Norway-style deal to remain in the single market. He said accepting free movement of people and paying large sums to Brussels while accepting its rules would not be politically acceptable.

The BBA wants the UK to leave the single market but retain unimpeded access to EU markets. The compromise would give British authorities control over UK regulation while giving EU customers access to the City.

More from the source: Treasury looks at quitting the single market as City rejects Norway option after Brexit

Looks like them investment bankers are in for the chop - The City will turn those big skyscrapers into tax free casino zone - nobody would even notice the difference, BrillioPad's next HFT job will be at the roulette table

[DimPrawn]

Brexit should be Brexit.

We should be no more linked to the EU than Canada is to the USA.

No passporting, no EU fees, no "free movement of people" (ie unfettered immigration into the UK), no EU laws, rules or regulations.

Out means 100% out, or it's meaningless.

[CretinWatcher]

Brexit should be Brexit.

We should be no more linked to the EU than Canada is to the USA.

No passporting, no EU fees, no "free movement of people" (ie unfettered immigration into the UK), no EU laws, rules or regulations.

Out means 100% out, or it's meaningless.

Completely agree. We should invoke Article 50 immediately and leave asap. One great outcome would be that the collapse in tax take from the City after the exodus would cause the collapse of the NHS and force its reform into a modern insurance based system.
Plenty of other benefits too, being wealthy would mean something, you wouldn't get tattooed chavs infesting 5 star hotels, the minimum wage would need to be abolished to make up for tariffs on goods made here etc.
The benefits for the wealthy would be immense.

[NotAllThere]

Brexit should be Brexit.

We should be no more linked to the EU than Canada is to the USA.

No passporting, no EU fees, no "free movement of people" (ie unfettered immigration into the UK), no EU laws, rules or regulations.

Canadian imports have to abide by EU laws, rules and regulations, so the UK will never be entirely free of that.

Out means 100% out, or it's meaningless.

But we remain in the Council of Europe, yes? 'cos that's not EU.