[Merged]Brexit stuff

[eek]

The idea a lackey can make people destitute for 3 years for being 5 minutes late for an appointment is disgusting.

They can't.....

[vetran]

They can't.....

Yes sorry they can only do that for 3 months if you are late. Obviously real offenders get 3 years.

1. How does Jobseeker’s Allowance work?
Jobseeker’s Allowance (JSA) is a benefit to help you when you’re unemployed and looking for work.

When you claim JSA, you’ll meet one of our work coaches at the Jobcentre who’ll help you find work. They’ll find out about your situation and:

help identify what you must do to find work and confirm it in your Claimant Commitment – this is sometimes called a Jobseeker’s Agreement
meet you regularly to review your progress
Your work coach may tell you to take part in an employment scheme, such as the Work Programme. Employment schemes are delivered by specialist organisations to help you find and stay in work. Your scheme provider may also identify things you must do to find work.

It’s your responsibility to do all you can to find work. In return, you’ll get your benefit payment and our support.
Most people do everything they can. If you don’t, your benefit payment could be stopped (sanctioned) or your claim could be ended.
2. What must I do to keep my benefit payment?
The reason your last job ended will always be checked, and benefit can be stopped if you were dismissed for misconduct, or left it without good reason. Once you start to get benefit payment, this will continue as long as you:

are available for work and agree to do the things in your Claimant Commitment (Jobseeker’s Agreement )
go to meetings on time with your work coach and take part in interviews
apply for suitable jobs your work coach tells you about
do everything your work coach tells you to do to find work, such as attending a training course or updating your CV
take part in employment schemes when your work coach tells you to – you’ll need to:
meet your employment scheme provider on time and do the things they tell you to do to find work
still meet your work coach and do what they tell you to do
do all you can to find work
If you can’t do, or haven’t done these things, tell your work coach or employment scheme provider why straight away.

You’ll get your benefit payment if you can show you had good reason for not doing what you were told to do. Provide as much information as you can, as quickly as possible. For example, call your work coach as soon as you can before an interview if you can’t attend. Let them know why. Your work coach can use this time to help others find work, and you’ll continue to get your benefit payment if we decide you had good reason for not going.

If you don’t do these things, and you don’t have good reason, your benefit payment could be stopped or your claim could be ended. It’s important that you understand everything you need to do to get your benefit payment and what will happen if you don’t. Ask your work coach to explain if you’re not sure.
3. How long could my benefit payment be stopped if I don’t have good reason?
Your benefit payment could be stopped for between 4 weeks and 156 weeks (3 years). This is called a sanction. There are 3 sanction levels; lower, intermediate or higher level. The level and length of your sanction depends on:

the reason you’re claiming JSA – for example, if you were dismissed for misconduct from your last job, or left it without good reason
what you haven’t done to find work
whether you’ve received an earlier sanction in the last year, or your claim has been ended, and the reason(s) for this
Lower and intermediate level sanctions
You may get a lower level sanction (4 or 13 weeks) if:

you don’t go to meetings on time with your work coach or take part in interviews
you don’t do what your work coach tells you to do to find work, such as attend a training course or update your CV
you don’t take part in employment schemes when your work coach tells you to
you don’t meet your employment scheme provider on time or take actions they tell you to
you lose an employment scheme place through misconduct or give up a place on a scheme voluntarily.
You may get an intermediate level sanction (4 or 13 weeks), and your claim may be ended, if:

you aren’t available for and actively seeking work
How long your benefit payment will be stopped for
Sanction How long your benefit payment will be stopped for
1. First lower or intermediate level sanction in each 52 week period 4 weeks
2. Each sanction at the same level in the next 2 weeks 4 weeks
3. Any further sanction at the same level within 52 weeks of the last 13 weeks (about 3 months)
Higher level sanctions
You’ll get a higher level sanction (13 to 156 weeks) if:

you were dismissed for misconduct from your last job
you left your last job without good reason
you don’t apply for suitable jobs your work coach or employment scheme adviser tells you about
you don’t take a job that your work coach or employment scheme adviser has told you about if you are offered it

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...enefit-payment

now if they did this after careful consideration and documented consideration I would sort of understand but this is fairly random.

[NotAllThere]

The UK faces a loss of £66 Billion a year in tax revenues, with a 9.5% contraction in the economy.

(Prediction made in a draft Cabinet committee paper, based on forecasts from a Treasury study, in the event of a Hard Brexit)

The £66bn is the worst case scenario after 15 years against what might have been, not what is. I assume you know that.

I'm hard pressed to understand what you are saying. Which "might have been" scenario do you mean - a Soft Brexit, or staying in the EU? And do you mean that 15 years after a Hard Brexit, worst case:
1, the UK will have £66 Billion less a year in tax revenues
2. the UK will have an economy 9.5% smaller

What is your source for saying this is after 15 years?

[eek]

Yes sorry they can only do that for 3 months if you are late. Obviously real offenders get 3 years.



https://www.gov.uk/government/public...enefit-payment

now if they did this after careful consideration and documented consideration I would sort of understand but this is fairly random.

I wasn't talking about the sanctions, I was talking about what has to be (not) done to get one...

[shaunbhoy]

What is your source for saying this is after 15 years?

George Osborne

[vetran]

I wasn't talking about the sanctions, I was talking about what has to be (not) done to get one...

try this:

https://www.trusselltrust.org/2015/0...fit-sanctions/

[SueEllen]

try this:

https://www.trusselltrust.org/2015/0...fit-sanctions/

Quoting bloody lefty sources

[vetran]

Quoting bloody lefty sources

sorry the wail didn't have a link.

I have no problem with accurate lefty sources.

When the Facts Change, I Change My Mind. What Do You Do, Sir? | Quote Investigator

However I think of TT as an effective source not a political one.

[eek]

try this:

https://www.trusselltrust.org/2015/0...fit-sanctions/

Which part of I know people can be sanctioned do you not quite grasp. My comment was the example you gave is not valid....

[GB9]

I'm hard pressed to understand what you are saying. Which "might have been" scenario do you mean - a Soft Brexit, or staying in the EU? And do you mean that 15 years after a Hard Brexit, worst case:
1, the UK will have £66 Billion less a year in tax revenues
2. the UK will have an economy 9.5% smaller

What is your source for saying this is after 15 years?

Why don't you actually read the document for once? It's all in there.

You lot regurgitate all the garbage that the Indy and Guardian put in your direction without even knowing where it came from.

This is just a regurgitation of the nonsense pre-vote. It has a range of scenarios and states what 'might happen' in comparison to what the author thinks would happen if we stayed in the EU.

The pro-eu papers went for the worst case scenario because the other scenarios aren't that dramatic and wouldn't really be worth reporting.

If someone wants to stick the number on the side of a bus to make the point then I have no problem with that as it's just a 'might' as with other buses.

And if any of you had bothered to read the link to the report I posted last week you would have seen that a lot of people actually think lower Sterling is good and about time.

Even the Indy thinks we will get a good deal.