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Is Trump right on abortion?

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    #11
    Originally posted by xoggoth View Post
    All for abortion. Up to 80 years after conception anyway.

    Seriously I think he's just killed his chances. A lot may agree with his views on mass immigration from Mexico, the effect of cheap foreign goods or excessive spending on defending other countries but they won't want this religious crap.
    I think you may be underestimating the strength of the religious right in the US.

    These are the people who bomb family planning clinics and murder the doctors who work in them.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-a...#United_States

    In the United States, violence directed towards abortion providers has killed at least eleven people, including four doctors, two clinic employees, a security guard, a police officer, two people (unclear of their connection), and a clinic escort;[I 1][I 2]
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    According to statistics gathered by the National Abortion Federation (NAF), an organization of abortion providers, since 1977 in the United States and Canada, there have been 17 attempted murders, 383 death threats, 153 incidents of assault or battery, 13 wounded,[11] 100 butyric acid attacks, 373 physical invasions, 41 bombings, 655 anthrax threats,[12] and 3 kidnappings committed against abortion providers.[I 16] Between 1997 and 1990 77 death threats were made with 250 made between 1991 to 1999 .[11] Attempted murders in the U.S. included:[I 1][I 17][I 18] IN 1985 45% of clinics reported bomb threats, decreasing to 15% in 2000. One fifth of clinics in 2000 experienced some form of extreme activity. [13]
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    According to NAF, since 1977 in the United States and Canada, property crimes committed against abortion providers have included 41 bombings, 173 arsons, 91 attempted bombings or arsons, 619 bomb threats, 1630 incidents of trespassing, 1264 incidents of vandalism, and 100 attacks with butyric acid ("stink bombs").[I 16] The New York Times also cites over one hundred clinic bombings and incidents of arson, over three hundred invasions, and over four hundred incidents of vandalism between 1978 and 1993.[I 22] The first clinic arson occurred in Oregon in March 1976 and the first bombing occurred in February 1978 in Ohio.[I 23] Incidents have included:
    I'd post the full list from the article but it's too long for the board to handle as one message...
    "Being nice costs nothing and sometimes gets you extra bacon" - Pondlife.

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      #12
      I think you may be underestimating the strength of the religious right in the US
      Aware of how strong it is in the US but think that to get in Trump needs support of more than just that hard core, he also has to appeal to legitimate concerns among more ordinary people, including women and many who would normally vote for the Democrats. After all, he has already lost some states due to the high percentage of Hispanics in them.

      Funny how Trump, when you see him on interviews, does not come across as extreme or abrasive as he does in speeches. Some say he is not actually particularly conservative.

      Is Donald Trump Conservative? Here's the Rundown - Breitbart

      I'm all for politicians speaking their minds but I get the impression Trump just says whatever he thinks will get him into power. Not an honest politician. On the plus side I suppose, if he gets in, he may not be as bad as many think.
      Last edited by xoggoth; 30 March 2016, 22:19.
      bloggoth

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        #13
        From what point in its development does a foetus have a soul?
        I guess that's unknowable.
        Therefore we cannot know whether we commit murder with every abortion we perform.

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          #14
          Last time I checked, it takes 2 to tango. Punishing 1/2 the people involved because of their gender is discrimination.


          If 1 man gets 3 women pregnant, the 3 women get punished, but the man is not reprimanded and may continue impregnating without fear of retribution.
          Then again, it fits with the gun lobby claim that it's not the gun that's the problem, but the victim who is at fault for being somewhere without a gun.


          Women, because you don't have todgers, you are 100% responsible for all sexual actions and their results.


          (notice how I managed to make these comments without discussing abortion, all I'm talking about is responsibility)
          …Maybe we ain’t that young anymore

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            #15
            He's now withdrawn his comments, as he always does

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              #16
              Originally posted by NickFitz View Post
              He's now withdrawn his comments, as he always does


              Withdrawn them, but says he hasn't changed his mind.


              Um, if he becomes president and is in a meeting with an intelligent human, he's going to come out with something, that person will take him at his word and then we're all fooked.
              Alternatively, the rest of the world will be laughing their heads off at the idiot in chief.
              …Maybe we ain’t that young anymore

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                #17
                Originally posted by DaveB View Post
                I think you may be underestimating the strength of the religious right in the US...
                The other Republicans are also against abortion on demand (if you've got the insurance and/or money). Nonetheless, they're distancing themselves from Trump on this, as are pro-life groups.

                More tellingly, pro-life groups immediately distanced themselves from Mr Trump, with March For Life saying Mr Trump was “out of touch” with the goals of pro-life advocates.


                Trump is wrong on everything. I just hope he never says water is wet.
                Down with racism. Long live miscegenation!

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by xoggoth View Post
                  ............... Not an honest politician.........
                  Mmmmmm I don't think he is unique in that one!

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by WTFH View Post
                    Last time I checked, it takes 2 to tango. Punishing 1/2 the people involved because of their gender is discrimination.


                    If 1 man gets 3 women pregnant, the 3 women get punished, but the man is not reprimanded and may continue impregnating without fear of retribution.
                    Then again, it fits with the gun lobby claim that it's not the gun that's the problem, but the victim who is at fault for being somewhere without a gun.


                    Women, because you don't have todgers, you are 100% responsible for all sexual actions and their results.


                    (notice how I managed to make these comments without discussing abortion, all I'm talking about is responsibility)
                    Yes, you managed to avoid discussing abortion, by making a completely irrelevant and factually wrong statement.
                    I don't think the suggestion was ever "Women should be punished for getting pregnant".

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by Forgotmylogin View Post
                      Yes, you managed to avoid discussing abortion, by making a completely irrelevant and factually wrong statement.
                      I don't think the suggestion was ever "Women should be punished for getting pregnant".
                      I'm not sure how one can have an abortion if one is not pregnant, perhaps you've never considered that as relevant either.
                      …Maybe we ain’t that young anymore

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