So...anybody ask for any of this?

[mudskipper]

I onder who alerted PhilipRoss to this thread. Not that I mind him joining, we get the opportunity to question the rationale for the proposal now I find it quite telling though, that there is just a little sales pitch tagged on to the end of the thread whiilst it contains a number of very real questions. I would be quite interested to hear what the author of the report says about those?

He's probably still reading through all 45 pages.

Might be worth summarising the main points politely - it would be interesting to hear his views.

[tractor]

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He's probably still reading through all 45 pages.

Might be worth summarising the main points politely - it would be interesting to hear his views.

Perhaps an IPSE mod could come along and move the distractions to the spats and arguments pot then it would be down to 4 pages

[eek]

That too, more importantly!

Labour should be more worried about protecting those that are forced into 'self employment' by those employers looking to save every penny at the expense of those that have little choice. That was always going to be the next thing after IR35 once companies had their eyes opened to the possibilities by Darling and his darlings.

While they are at it, perhaps they could look at zero hours contracts. Rather than looking to help those that don't need any.

I onder who alerted PhilipRoss to this thread. Not that I mind him joining, we get the opportunity to question the rationale for the proposal now I find it quite telling though, that there is just a little sales pitch tagged on to the end of the thread whiilst it contains a number of very real questions. I would be quite interested to hear what the author of the report says about those?

So we end up back full circle with my biggest concern regarding the PCG rebrand and its targetting of a set of people better supported by a union such as the GMB rather than a employer organisation....

[malvolio]

So we end up back full circle with my biggest concern regarding the PCG rebrand and its targetting of a set of people better supported by a union such as the GMB rather than a employer organisation....

Don't mix up Mr Ross's comments and ideas with IPSE's. They may have a common origin but they are not the same thing and as he says himself, Ross is nothing to do with IPSE and has not been for many years.

[tractor]

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Don't mix up Mr Ross's comments and ideas with IPSE's. They may have a common origin but they are not the same thing and as he says himself, Ross is nothing to do with IPSE and has not been for many years.

I think it's the origin that is in question.

[malvolio]

I think it's the origin that is in question.

Maybe, but the original "requirement" can be addressed in many different ways, independently of whoever started the ball rolling. We will need to focus on end proposals, when they are defined, without fussing too much about where they started off and to some extent regardless of who is proposing them.

[cojak]

Perhaps an IPSE mod could come along and move the distractions to the spats and arguments pot then it would be down to 4 pages

<snigger> :

[tractor]

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Maybe, but the original "requirement" can be addressed in many different ways, independently of whoever started the ball rolling. We will need to focus on end proposals, when they are defined, without fussing too much about where they started off and to some extent regardless of who is proposing them.

You do have to admit though that if you look at the two side by side, it's hard to tell where they differ.

Maybe, but the original "requirement" can be addressed in many different ways, independently of whoever started the ball rolling. We will need to focus on end proposals, when they are defined, without fussing too much about where they started off and to some extent regardless of who is proposing them.

I await the call for consultation with great anticipation. When do you think it will likely commence?

I may even join the Labour Party so I can have some input there too.

[malvolio]

I await the call for consultation with great anticipation. When do you think it will likely commence?

I may even join the Labour Party so I can have some input there too.

You're still having trouble with this concept of "Manifesto proposals for the General Election", aren't you...

IPSE aren't the only people with an agenda, and the main parties will all have their own approaches anyway. And, as we all know, it may end up going nowhere.

The only thing that is certain at the moment is all the parties are looking at near 5 million "self employed" workers and hence 5 million votes...

[tractor]

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You're still having trouble with this concept of "Manifesto proposals for the General Election", aren't you...

IPSE aren't the only people with an agenda, and the main parties will all have their own approaches anyway. And, as we all know, it may end up going nowhere.

The only thing that is certain at the moment is all the parties are looking at near 5 million "self employed" workers and hence 5 million votes...

We will need to focus on end proposals

You're still having trouble with reading comprehension, aren't you? Perhaps we should work on that first then get around to focusing on proposals?