State of the Market

[Dorkeaux]

Rather like those who define themselves by the day they open their acceptance letter to Oxford/Cambridge and not by the subsequent 15 years of mediocrity as a low ranking VP in Canary Wharf.

Very true. One of the best things about contracting is that no one gives a stuff where I went to Uni decades ago.

Permie jobs are another matter. They seem to think it's relevant for some reason.

I never ask when I'm interviewing someone. Some of the worst coders I've ever met are products of some of the finest Unis.
Computer programming is more of a talent , like music and sport. It can only be "taught" to a small extent. Coaching people who have the gift would be a better approach.

[SussexSeagull]

Similar. I worked as an associate with Accenture some time ago.

The idea was to get Big Consultancy experience on your CV.
Probably the same with Meta et al.
In reality, the Accenture peeps spent most of their time competing internally with their colleagues and talking to the internal company headhunters who were in control of their career progression instead of doing their jobs.

I didn't rate any of them, frankly. Smart, but doing the wrong things.

The ones I worked with leaned towards private schools and a few of them did it for a few years then went off to the family business or to do something non IT related. It's almost like in past times when the boys went off to the armed services for a few years and the women had a bit of a career before producing posh babies (note I am not saying that was a good thing but it did seem to be a thing amongst people of a certain class).

For reasons I can't recall I did actually get interviewed for Accenture getting on 20 years ago. It involved a battery of about five people in quick succession and it was all personality based and nothing technical. Needless to say, I didn't join them! From what I understand of the big tech companies now, at least there recruitment is based on finding people who will hopefully be very good at what they do.

[Dorkeaux]

With respect Meta set the bar a little higher than Accenture.

And by a little I mean much much higher.

Cheers, I obviously have little experience with the Meta types.

[sadkingbilly]

For reasons I can't recall I did actually get interviewed for Accenture getting on 20 years ago. It involved a battery of about five people in quick succession and it was all personality based and nothing technical. Needless to say, I didn't join them! From what I understand of the big tech companies now, at least there recruitment is based on finding people who will hopefully be very good at what they do.

ah.. good old Arthur Anderson. or Arthur's Androids as we knew them.
all called hermione and toby and producing lots of pretty graphs but no real engineering skills at all.

Mind you, I made a fair bit fixing their cockups at various clients, so bless their little cotton socks.

[Ketto]

Form an orderly queue people….

[dsc]

Form an orderly queue people….

What's a service designer?

[Bluenose]

I always wonder why people add ex-Google, ex-Meta, ex-Apple to their LinkedIn headline. I read this as for whatever reason you weren't good enough to thrive/succeed there but you still think this buys you a place at the front of the queue.

Indeed.

[gables]

Very true. One of the best things about contracting is that no one gives a stuff where I went to Uni decades ago.

Permie jobs are another matter. They seem to think it's relevant for some reason.

I never ask when I'm interviewing someone. Some of the worst coders I've ever met are products of some of the finest Unis.
Computer programming is more of a talent , like music and sport. It can only be "taught" to a small extent. Coaching people who have the gift would be a better approach.

Totally agree, I'd almost say "gift" - my best man demonstrated whilst we were at college together why he would make a programmer and I wouldn't.. his brain was wired differently

[oliverson]

Back checking this boards and this site after 4 days driving back from Spain, 1 month earlier than anticipated.

Surprise, surprise, another named storm has rolled in down there. Good move to come back early.

Inboxes have a few opportunities but all inside, including one with the FA, onsite at Wembley stadium part of the week. Sadly the IR35 status meant an own goal.

[sadkingbilly]

probably piss it down now