State of the Market

[zonkkk]

Ok, I think you are not very well informed.
I will take just as example Lithuania as I know the market situation very well there:
Good senior developer salary ~ 60k-120k EUR per year. Not sure how that is 2x-3x times cheaper.
That does look like a typical UK salary.
You will really have difficulties finding a decent one for less.
Contract - 400-500 eur per day - outside IR35 with 0% first year corporate tax and 5% later. 15% dividend tax.

Haha, and Pinocchio was a real boy... mate where did you come up with those numbers... I can assure you they are fantasy!

[NowPermOutsideUK]

If that were true about Lithuania salaries then rather than seeing outsourcing which has dominated It over the last twenty years and really accelerated over the last five years what I would expect is more jobs from Poland and Lithuania to come to the Uk

Sadly I think the numbers provided are not reliable

[eek]

My quick check tells me I can get a lithuania java dev for between €2500 to €3500 a month and I usually pay too whack for people who are good.

So max €40k a year

[AndrewK]

Haha, and Pinocchio was a real boy... mate where did you come up with those numbers... I can assure you they are fantasy!

Current adverts in a slow covid month:
Ruby - to 96k:
Ruby on Rails Developer in Vilnius - Alliance for Recruitment | cv.lt
BA - to 96K
Senior Business/Data Analyst in Vilnius - Manpower Lit | cv.lt
NodeJs to 80k:
Backend Developer - Node.js in Vilnius - Alliance for Recruitment | cv.lt
Java/.NET lead - 72k
Lead Software Engineer (Java or .NET) in Vilnius - Alliance for Recruitment | cv.lt

At Danske Bank 70k is very typical salary to senior .net/java dev and they offer contracts 400 per day.
And they are not the highest paying employer.
I do agree that this is higher-end, but if you want to get a good developer, this is what you will have to pay.

[AndrewK]

My quick check tells me I can get a lithuania java dev for between €2500 to €3500 a month and I usually pay too whack for people who are good.

So max €40k a year

40k is a very average salary. I doubt you will find a good one for 40k. Only if he is desperate.
I could also say the same about the UK - you have people who work for 50k and some for 150k.

[GhostofTarbera]

40k is a very average salary. I doubt you will find a good one for 40k. Only if he is desperate.
I could also say the same about the UK - you have people who work for 50k and some for 150k.

We have 20 devs in Vilnius, you dont need to be a superstar dev these days as all the thinking us old times had to do as analyst programmers is all handed to a dev on a plate.

Why would I pay 100K for a superstar when a 40K chap can do all the programming ?


Sent from my iPhone using Contractor UK Forum

[zonkkk]

My quick check tells me I can get a lithuania java dev for between €2500 to €3500 a month and I usually pay too whack for people who are good.

So max €40k a year

And he only gets 50% of that...

[zonkkk]

Current adverts in a slow covid month:
Ruby - to 96k:
Ruby on Rails Developer in Vilnius - Alliance for Recruitment | cv.lt
BA - to 96K
Senior Business/Data Analyst in Vilnius - Manpower Lit | cv.lt
NodeJs to 80k:
Backend Developer - Node.js in Vilnius - Alliance for Recruitment | cv.lt
Java/.NET lead - 72k
Lead Software Engineer (Java or .NET) in Vilnius - Alliance for Recruitment | cv.lt

At Danske Bank 70k is very typical salary to senior .net/java dev and they offer contracts 400 per day.
And they are not the highest paying employer.
I do agree that this is higher-end, but if you want to get a good developer, this is what you will have to pay.

These are not average salaries here. Half that and you are getting closer to software devs average salaries.

[cojak]

These are not average salaries here. Half that and you are getting closer to software devs average salaries.

...and BA average salaries for that matter.

[AndrewK]

We have 20 devs in Vilnius, you dont need to be a superstar dev these days as all the thinking us old times had to do as analyst programmers is all handed to a dev on a plate.

Why would I pay 100K for a superstar when a 40K chap can do all the programming ?


Sent from my iPhone using Contractor UK Forum

And why would you not pay 50k in the UK? The median in the UK salary is 50k, not 100k.