State of the Market

[TheGreenBastard]

Multiple clients is a great idea, makes perfect sense when you have the time and interest. There's an enormous difference between having multiple clients and defrauding clients. Some of us go for the former, you go for the latter, largely because you're afraid of what they would say if they found out. You're disposable.

Defrauding clients by delivering countless projects, cool story bro

What they would say if they were found out... and here's me thinking this was a forum for small-biz contractors! Permies in disguise, know how their bread is buttered by their slave owners.

[TheGreenBastard]

The paragraph below for example?

Yeah, that proves nothing in relation to your claim. You and others don't like the anecdote I provide. Like I said, retract the claim or provide evidence that I said everyone should and can do it. I'm ready with a list of historic posts where I claim the opposite, so let's stop with the lies.

Same old boring template whenever real contractors talk of having multiple clients, "scared of telling your slave owner", "defrauding the client". Wow!

Let's leave current line of convo here if you posses the self restraint, instead of high-jacking a thread yet again because the mere suggestion of multigigging triggers the local permietractors so much.

[edison]

There was a report on Sky News yesterday about the recent increase in net migration to the UK being driven by a significant number of Tier 2 & Skilled Worker visas being issued to people from outside the EU.

Surprise surprise, the most common country of origin was India, with more visas issued than the rest of the top 10 countries combined. And IT was the job role for almost 36,000 visas just in 21/22.

The cynic in me says the vast majority of these 36,000 roles could readily be filled by UK citizens and it's just UK firms looking for 'cheap' resources and/or Indian consultancies bringing more bods onshore.

https://news.sky.com/story/post-brex...tages-12886995

[jamesbrown]

Defrauding clients by delivering countless projects, cool story bro

What they would say if they were found out... and here's me thinking this was a forum for small-biz contractors! Permies in disguise, know how their bread is buttered by their slave owners.

Small businesses tend not to defraud their clients. All this tedious "slave owner" and "permie in disguise" fare from you is quite transparent. You lash out with precisely what you fear yourself to be

[northernladuk]

Let's leave current line of convo here if you posses the self restraint, instead of high-jacking a thread yet again because the mere suggestion of multigigging triggers the local permietractors so much.

Your level of delusion rivals even that of Scooter. You, as usual highjacked it with the same old statement that bears absolutely zero relation to the real world and offers no advice or input. Just the same old rhetoric with the addition that you do it so it must be right.

The smart thing to do is multi-gig during the boom times, for full fat rates, but operating an actual business is frowned upon round these parts.

I continue to do it and surprise surprise business continuity remains robust.

And you mention my self restraint? I said lets leave it and you answered again first.

[davetza]

Did a technical test last week, 30 min interview yesterday lunchtime and got the verbal offer 5pm last night. Managed to negotiate the start date for a couple of weeks as well so I can finish off the current gig properly. Contract likely to last until December so fairly pleased given the state of the market.

Rate is reasonable as well - 500 outside - can't be picky at the moment.

Ive got three interviews in the calendar I need to cancel now. Keep the faith people. There is work out there.

I was thinking last night that it pays dividends right now to be more of a generalist than a specialist. Means when you throw your net out you have more opportunities to catch something.

Personally I can fill many roles to an high enough level to do them on a contract basis. Anything from Lead / Senior Dev roles, Principle Architect, Team Lead, Dev Ops Engineer, Front End Dev and so on. Always made sure my skill set and experience was varied. I think thats the key at the moment. Means I can present myself in different ways for different roles and also be the do everything guy for the small companies that need that.

I think if you are just a UX guy or just a Dev Ops guy then your options are just to narrow in the current market.

Good luck to everyone on the hunt.

Congrats on the new role. However, in your shoes I would not cancel the interviews. I've had roles pulled even after a contract has been signed so I've learnt my lesson on this.

[dsc]

If both clients are aware of the situation then by all means go for it but I suspect most people singing the praises of doing it don't keep both clients informed of the situation.

Does it matter if anyone is informed? if you take on a plasterer to re-do a few walls in your house, do you ask them about other clients?

Let's be honest, the whole you do work for 40hrs a week and need to be available during that time approach is a bit silly. True outside work should be a proper b2b arrangement with a quote and work done whenever, as long as it is delivered within the agreed period.

[TheGreenBastard]

Small businesses tend not to defraud their clients. All this tedious "slave owner" and "permie in disguise" fare from you is quite transparent. You lash out with precisely what you fear yourself to be

Did you think this through, the logical conclusion of that is that you defraud your clients, you're on here all day so I guess that's true.

Your level of delusion rivals even that of Scooter. You, as usual highjacked it with the same old statement that bears absolutely zero relation to the real world and offers no advice or input. Just the same old rhetoric with the addition that you do it so it must be right.



And you mention my self restraint? I said lets leave it and you answered again first.

You spend all day on here (defrauding your "client") and can't follow a thread, stump up some evidence, it's ridiculous you think you can assert falsehoods without facts... but I guess that's what the clique on here exists to maintain. You're making claims and you're wrong again: I backed up some chap who got jumped on for suggesting taking on multiple clients, I provided my anecdote for some contrast to said person's advice... and true to form you and the permietractors got upset.

Honestly, the blatant lying when the discourse of this thread is here to see is downright pathetic. I'll let you off if you're a bit slow and can't follow a conversation.

[TheGreenBastard]

There was a report on Sky News yesterday about the recent increase in net migration to the UK being driven by a significant number of Tier 2 & Skilled Worker visas being issued to people from outside the EU.

Surprise surprise, the most common country of origin was India, with more visas issued than the rest of the top 10 countries combined. And IT was the job role for almost 36,000 visas just in 21/22.

The cynic in me says the vast majority of these 36,000 roles could readily be filled by UK citizens and it's just UK firms looking for 'cheap' resources and/or Indian consultancies bringing more bods onshore.

https://news.sky.com/story/post-brex...tages-12886995

I wonder if these figures even touch the sides in terms of effect on the market. Let's say all the immigration from India was IT workers, would that be a large enough % of the active workforce to suppress wages etc? I.e. can 1% of newcomers assert enough market force to suppress rates? Maybe the % is enough to fill the flexible contractor workforce.

[SussexSeagull]

Does it matter if anyone is informed? if you take on a plasterer to re-do a few walls in your house, do you ask them about other clients?

Let's be honest, the whole you do work for 40hrs a week and need to be available during that time approach is a bit silly. True outside work should be a proper b2b arrangement with a quote and work done whenever, as long as it is delivered within the agreed period.

If you sign up for two clients for 40 hours a week then you are defrauding them. If you sign up to be paid by delivery then crack on so long as you can do the work.

I am really not sure why people aren't getting this difference and by that I mean in the real world, not some aspiration where every contract is paid on delivery which are a minority of contracts.