2nd Referendum question

[shaunbhoy]

So if no option reaches 50% + 1 votes or more

We've already HAD a vote where one side reached 50%+. Move on FFS, and try and drag some of the other cabbage-heads with you!

The people of the UK have already spoken...........try and let that unassailable fact permeate the darkest depths of your miniscule brains.

[WTFH]

Apologies for re-asking the question, but non of the remainers answered the question posed then either.

Because those snowflakes who are pro-leave have no interest in hearing anything that disagrees with them and are more interested in putting down anything that resembles intelligent debate.

Take a look at the responses.

Hard brexit now, funded by the pension pots of people not paying taxes. When the massive wealth improvements arrive, the pension pots can be topped up again.

Or, take the easy way out and just ramp up taxes for anyone who thinks Brexit is a good idea.

[vetran]

Project Cretin marches on.

That was Saturday did you miss it? There were 10s of thousands of losers in London bemoaning the lack of democracy.

Its funny you remainers are desperately trying to obtain a second vote by stealth after losing the first, your strategy is that hopefully enough people have died off so you win.

Then all you can do is insult people who point such stuff out.

[Yorkie62]

There could be even more options on the ballot paper 4. reject deal and renegotiate for example

So if no option reaches 50% + 1 votes or more there should be a third referendum really, the top two answers from the second referendum, will be re-asked in the 3d one
Not ideal, but better then a transferable vote in my opinion

OK, so given that one of those top two answers would be remain, because there would have been only one remain option on the ballot paper, and one would be a leave by this deal, Do the people who have their preferred voting option removed in the 3rd referendum now feel disenfranchised by the process and choose to abstain from the 3rd referendum? If this were to lead to an small turn out and a mojpority of voters now abstaining, what is the democratic result? I think I would and feel that the process was undemocratic. If I could understand how a 2nd referendum could be democratic then maybe I could support one, but I just can't see how it would work. Even a referendum that only has those leave deal options is potentially undemocratic as the remainers would claim to be disenfranchised.

I just don't see how a single 2nd referendum can work democratically.

[Eirikur]

We've already HAD a vote where one side reached 50%+. Move on FFS, and try and drag some of the other cabbage-heads with you!

The people of the UK have already spoken...........try and let that unassailable fact permeate the darkest depths of your miniscule brains.

Yes you mean the 1975 referendum
Do you think the United Kingdom should stay in the European Community (the Common Market)?

Yes 17,378,581 67.23%
No 8,470,073 32.77%

[Whorty]

Just supposing we do have a peoples referendum on the Bexit Deal. What would be on the Ballot paper and how would you reconcile the result democratically?

For example:
Possible choices on a ballot paper could be:

1. EU Agreed Deal (what ever that might be)
2. No deal
3. Withdraw Article 50 letter

Now just supposing that we have a result (of those who could be bother to vote) where the outcome was

1. 27%
2. 25%
3. 48%

What is the democratic result? The 48% who vote to withdraw the Article 50 letter or the 52% that vote for the UK to leave via one of the two options presented?

I know this is all hypothetical but, I would be particularly interested in the views of those who would vote for option 3.

The problem with a 2nd referendum as I see it is that unless you can present an equal number of options to both sides then the result can too easily be skewed and solves nothing. As the only option that the remainers seem to want is a simple remain in the EU, the any 2nd referendum would have to have a simple do you want to leave question, which is not a referendum on the deal on the table. I would suggest that any 2nd referendum on the Brexit deal does not have an option that in anyway suggest or allows the UK to remain in the EU because that deal is not, as far as the UK government is concerned, on the table.

If, and I'm not a big fan of a 2nd ref, but if we did have a second ref then i wouldn't want to see 'no deal' as an option. A no deal means the government have failed to deliver a Brexit solution, and have failed to deliver to the 'will of the people'. As they have failed they shouldn't be allowed this get out.

If there is a second ref then it should be the deal that the government have negotiated, or withdraw A50. There is clearly a move in the UK voting populace to withdraw A50, but whether this is significantly high enough to warrant a 2nd ref I'm not sure.

If this government fail to get a deal, they should call a GE or just hand over to Labour and let them try.

So for me, 2 options are 1) Accept the deal negotiated or 2) withdraw A50

No bulltulip, no lies, the deal will be what it is so everyone should know what they are voting for.

Never gonna happen, but hey, we can but hope

[Yorkie62]

If, and I'm not a big fan of a 2nd ref, but if we did have a second ref then i wouldn't want to see 'no deal' as an option. A no deal means the government have failed to deliver a Brexit solution, and have failed to deliver to the 'will of the people'. As they have failed they shouldn't be allowed this get out.

If there is a second ref then it should be the deal that the government have negotiated, or withdraw A50. There is clearly a move in the UK voting populace to withdraw A50, but whether this is significantly high enough to warrant a 2nd ref I'm not sure.

If this government fail to get a deal, they should call a GE or just hand over to Labour and let them try.

So for me, 2 options are 1) Accept the deal negotiated or 2) withdraw A50

No bulltulip, no lies, the deal will be what it is so everyone should know what they are voting for.

Never gonna happen, but hey, we can but hope

Not a fan of a 2nd ref either, because I don't see how it could work democratically. With that in mind could you please explain to me how your suggested two options respects the first referendum. If we have a referendum of the deal negotiated then it should simply be a yes/no vote on do you accept this deal. If the democratic result comes out as no then we need to understand what that means. Does it send the Government of the day back to the negotiation table, ad infintium? Does the government of the day call a general election and we have a general election based around what each party proposes as their potential deal? What a mess that would be! Although all remainers would vote SNP, Libel Democrat, Green, or that Welsh party as they are the only two parties that wholly support staying in, unless of course either the Cons. or Labour switched sides purely to get into power. How credible would that be.

To me those calling for a 2nd referendum want one that divides, or disenfranchises, the leave vote and therefore hands the majority to remain. That doesn't seem very democratic.

[sasguru]

If, and I'm not a big fan of a 2nd ref, but if we did have a second ref then i wouldn't want to see 'no deal' as an option. A no deal means the government have failed to deliver a Brexit solution, and have failed to deliver to the 'will of the people'. As they have failed they shouldn't be allowed this get out.

If there is a second ref then it should be the deal that the government have negotiated, or withdraw A50. There is clearly a move in the UK voting populace to withdraw A50, but whether this is significantly high enough to warrant a 2nd ref I'm not sure.

If this government fail to get a deal, they should call a GE or just hand over to Labour and let them try.

So for me, 2 options are 1) Accept the deal negotiated or 2) withdraw A50

No bulltulip, no lies, the deal will be what it is so everyone should know what they are voting for.

Never gonna happen, but hey, we can but hope

I disagree that there should be a 2nd referendum at all.

But if it comes to it: there should be 2 options:

1. Real, full, aka "hard" Brexit
2. Status quo - that is full Remain

Because any "deal" would not be Brexit, just a weak compromise that would piss off both sides e.g. Chequers

As a dual national, I would now vote for 1, because I think the country needs it to move on.

[shaunbhoy]

As a dual national, I would now vote for 1, because I think the country needs it to move on.

As you are a dual national, it would be a real fillip for the country if you just moved the fook on now, ditched your internet connections, and thereby stopped clogging the place up with your incessant asinine wittering.

[BR14]

As you are a dual national, it would be a real fillip for the country if you just moved the fook on now, ditched your internet connections, and thereby stopped clogging the place up with your incessant asinine wittering.

Hear! Hear!