How the EU is making a successful Brexit Difficult

[vetran]

More like walking into a bar - saying 'the drinks are one me' - then your wife says 'are you fooking mad'!

More like going into a bar with some acquaintances, have lunch with them that you expect to split the bill and they present you with the bill for today and the next ten years of lunches that you aren't invited to.

[BlasterBates]

Why do you just accept that at face value?

The House of Lords did some analysis and concluded that there was nothing in the existing EU treaties that could enforce a payment.

what they said was

international law is slow to litigate and hard to enforce

In effect what they basically they said was that they didn't know, but maybe the UK could get away with it.

[PurpleGorilla]

More like going into a bar with some acquaintances, have lunch with them that you expect to split the bill and they present you with the bill for today and the next ten years of lunches that you aren't invited to.

Snouts in the trough!

[original PM]

what they said was



In effect what they basically they said was that they didn't know, but maybe the UK could get away with it.

If a law is hard to understand and difficult to enforce should someone not be looking at this 'law' and saying maybe it's not worth the paper it is written on?

All 'laws' are simply rules made up by people to try and make other people do what they want.

[vetran]

what they said was



In effect what they basically they said was that they didn't know, but maybe the UK could get away with it.

hmm

€100bn Brexit bill is ‘legally impossible’ to enforce, European Commission’s own lawyers admit

A massive €100bn Brexit bill is "legally impossible" to enforce, the European Commission’s own lawyers have admitted.

The Telegraph has seen minutes of internal deliberations circulated by Brussels’s own Brexit negotiating team, which had warned against pursuing the UK for extra payments.

But member states appear to have ignored the Commission's own advice by demanding €100bn (£85bn) from the Government, a sharp hike in the original demand of €60bn.

The inflated bill deepened the rift between Brussels and Downing Street. A leaked report of a Downing Street dinner with European Commission president Jean-Claude Juncker accused Theresa May of living in “another galaxy”, prompting the Prime Minister in turn to accuse EU politicians and officials of seeking to disrupt the General Election.

https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-divorce-bill/

In brief
A House of Lords report argues that legally the UK isn’t required to pay a penny. This has been disputed by some legal experts, and the report itself acknowledges that there are “competing interpretations”.

But even if it’s correct that there’s no enforceable legal obligation to pay a “Brexit bill”, the worry is that failure to settle on a sum will prevent an agreement on our future economic relationship. That arguably matters a lot more.

So extortion basically.

[BlasterBates]

hmm

€100bn Brexit bill is ‘legally impossible’ to enforce, European Commission’s own lawyers admit



https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-divorce-bill/



So extortion basically.

not really, they're talking about payments above and beyond 60 billion, and the House of Lords didn't conclude that there was no legal basis for it.

It's not extortion, If the UK don't want to pay it, it will be sorted out in court.

[sasguru]

So extortion basically.

So let's walk away.
Don't fancy you and yours chances in a hard Brexit much

I want a hard Brexit, so hard the pips squeak.
Once people have figured out that the UK economy is based in the main on debt-based consumption propped up by a ponzi housing scheme and the whole thing collapses post a hard Brexit, we can start again from ground zero.
Hard times for some, I'll be laughing.

[tomtomagain]

It cares not a jot - for the same reason it does not want to discuss the rights of EU citizens currently in the UK and vice versa.

It only cares about itself continuing as a political establishment.

This is true. Management structures are very good at protecting themselves. That's why it's the workers who get outsourced and not the managers.

But in this case there are the national governments who have a much more of an interest in a good, mutually beneficial outcome because they need to face their electorate. And the message "The EU made the English pay £1500 a year for BREXIT and it is only costing YOU £1000 a year" is not going to win many votes.

What's the worst-case outcome for the EU? I think it would go something like this:

• UK crashes out onto WTO rules because of a failure in the negotiations.
  
• It transpires that there is no final enforceable "Bill".
  
• UK continues to prosper. People rapidly adapt to changing circumstances, so there's no reason why this cannot happen.

That scenario would really throw into question the point of the EU. So I think that the risk of the talks failing, but the UK succeeding anyway would be something they are keen to avoid.

The EU cannot make us "worse off". It's not in their power. They can of course restrict access to their markets but then if they do it's up to us to find new markets and to make and take new opportunities.

[vetran]

not really, they're talking about payments above and beyond 60 billion, and the House of Lords didn't conclude that there was no legal basis for it.

It's not extortion, If the UK don't want to pay it, it will be sorted out in court.

The first one is even the EU internally realising they are taking the p1ss, the second is talking about any bill. Try reading it again.

If you don't pay a trumped up bill we will refuse to negotiate on an mutual Brexit or EU citizens rights sounds like extortion to me.

[vetran]

I'm considerably sadder than yow

FTFY