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How the EU is making a successful Brexit Difficult

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    #71
    Thing is, the principal is that nothing is agreed until everything is agreed.

    So I think there will, at the end, be one agreement. At the beginning we can talk money, and citizens rights, and Ireland and whatnot, and then we can talk Trade. If we cannot mutually agree on trade, then nothing is agreed. There wont be a 'pay us all this dosh, and we give you nothing' scenario.

    Any money we pay will be in return for continued access to the European Internal Market in one way or another. If there is no deal, there will be no money.

    If we're buying drinks at the bar, then yes we'll pay for the drinks. But does the barman still expect money for drinks even if no drinks are on offer?


    One has to hope that the EU doesn't decide that punishment of Britain comes before protection of its own interests. There are countries outside the EU which do take advantage of various bits of the EU.
    Taking a break from contracting

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      #72
      Originally posted by BlasterBates View Post
      Indeed there is, so lets look at what the EU actually states on its website:

      European Council (Art. 50) guidelines for Brexit negotiations - Consilium

      lo and behold, point 1 in the first phase:



      "Money" is the second point.
      Those facts are incompatible with the Brexit snowflake victim syndrome.

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        #73
        If you read both the UK government and the EU's official negotiating documents you will see that they are much closer in terms of language and desired outcomes than you would expect if you just read the Daily Wail or the Indescribably-boring.

        An acceptable relationship will be negotiated because, in the end, it's in all parties interest for it to succeed.

        However, the hysterics will continue from both sides for the next 18 months with both sides claiming to have "won" and that the other side are sabotaging the talks.

        But there's nothing a leading politician would love more than being able to stand in front of the world's press with his opposite number having concluded a deal that has his name on it, thereby ensuring his footnote in history.

        I can see the conference now. Two smiling men shaking hands as they sign the historic Barnier-Davis agreement.

        In the years to come it will be all about how the Barnier-Davis agreement led to stability and prosperity.

        They will get a couple of book deals out of it and will get to appear on every political talk show across the planet.

        In 10 years time we'll all be watching talking-heads pontificating about it on Channel 4 and there will be a min-series on BBC2.

        And you won't be able to find anybody who claimed to be part of the "48".

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          #74
          Originally posted by tomtomagain View Post
          If you read both the UK government and the EU's official negotiating documents you will see that they are much closer in terms of language and desired outcomes than you would expect if you just read the Daily Wail or the Indescribably-boring.

          An acceptable relationship will be negotiated because, in the end, it's in all parties interest for it to succeed.

          However, the hysterics will continue from both sides for the next 18 months with both sides claiming to have "won" and that the other side are sabotaging the talks.

          But there's nothing a leading politician would love more than being able to stand in front of the world's press with his opposite number having concluded a deal that has his name on it, thereby ensuring his footnote in history.

          I can see the conference now. Two smiling men shaking hands as they sign the historic Barnier-Davis agreement.

          In the years to come it will be all about how the Barnier-Davis agreement led to stability and prosperity.

          They will get a couple of book deals out of it and will get to appear on every political talk show across the planet.

          In 10 years time we'll all be watching talking-heads pontificating about it on Channel 4 and there will be a min-series on BBC2.

          And you won't be able to find anybody who claimed to be part of the "48".
          And the free unicorns?

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            #75
            Originally posted by tomtomagain View Post
            If you read both the UK government and the EU's official negotiating documents .
            I have and the talks will founder on the free movement issue.
            They are poles apart on that.
            No free movement=no access to single market=hard Brexit=firms relocating for bigger markets and access to talent= end of the UK as a viable world economic player.
            Hard Brexit now!
            #prayfornodeal

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              #76
              Originally posted by northernladyuk View Post
              And the free unicorns?
              There will be great herds of Unicorns roaming the woodlands of the country, sweeping majestically across the vales.

              In fact, by 2030 there will be so many of them the government will consider a cull.

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                #77
                Originally posted by sasguru View Post
                I have and the talks will founder on the free movement issue.
                They are poles apart on that.
                No free movement=no access to single market=hard Brexit=firms relocating for bigger markets and access to talent= end of the UK as a viable world economic player.
                Clearly you haven't read them very well.

                Both say that they will not attempt to have access to the Single Market. Both say they are looking for a "Free Trade Agreement".

                should be balanced, ambitious and wide-ranging
                to use the EU's words or
                But we also propose a bold and ambitious Free Trade Agreement between the United Kingdom and the European Union
                to use the UK's.

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                  #78
                  Originally posted by tomtomagain View Post
                  Clearly you haven't read them very well.

                  .
                  I am not sure that sasguru's "Spot the Dog" pop-up version, covered all of the subtleties that comprehensively to be fair.
                  “The period of the disintegration of the European Union has begun. And the first vessel to have departed is Britain”

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                    #79
                    Originally posted by sasguru View Post
                    I have and the talks will founder on the free movement issue.

                    They are poles apart on that.

                    No free movement = no access to single market = hard Brexit ...
                    WHS (up to the part I snipped)

                    On the subject of free movement, the EU's doctrinaire dogmatic obstinacy knows no bounds.
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                      #80
                      Originally posted by BrilloPad View Post
                      UK : Lets talk. WE should aim to get the best deal possible for both of us.
                      EU : We will only talk about what we want to talk about. Any deal must be approved by 28 individual governments. And in any deal the UK must suffer - punishment for daring to stand up to the 4th Reich.
                      I thought the EU was ready, but the UK wanted to have a GE first... no?
                      Last edited by squarepeg; 15 May 2017, 19:01.
                      You're awesome! Get yourself a t-shirt.

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