How the EU is making a successful Brexit Difficult

[PurpleGorilla]

Have you considered how a decline in population leads to a decline in demand with leads to a decline in employment? Or are you a believer in the lump of labour fallacy?

Is that why Germany let in so many migrants?

[The_Equalizer]

Is that why Germany let in so many migrants?

You're only allowed to talk about UK matters in this thread don't you know. Oh, hang on, that is a UK matter.

[BlasterBates]

Is that why Germany let in so many migrants?

It certainly hasn't done it any harm....still throwing in a budget surplus and wages going up, unemployment at record low.

Medical treatment on tap. Angela Merkel's party got a boost in the local elections.



Anyone who thinks preventing migration is some kind of magic knob to control the economy is going to be mightily disappointed.

[tomtomagain]

Same for the EU, talking of punishment and other unpleasantness is hardly sensible.

It's all politics though.

Of course the EU cannot "offer" the UK a good deal. Because that implies that there is actually a better deal that could be had by all the other member states. It would be admiting that the EU was not optimal and that a better outcome could be achieved.

Talking about "punishments" and that the UK must pay a price plays to the domestic audiences of the member states who will have to pay more to maintain the EU budget.

The politicians in the EU need to appear tough to deter others from questioning the current arrangements. The politicians in the member countries have different concerns, specifically around their own economies.

So for example I read that the UK counts for about 30% of exports for Irish farmers. Food is severly hit under WTO rules. A no-deal would have a brutal impact on the Irish. Does the EU, this magnifiicant organisation that operates with the best interest of it's people want to deliberately damage the livlihoods of Irish, French & Spanish farmers, German car workers and so on because the English made a democratic decision?

If it does then it's a funny club to want to belong to.

[BlasterBates]

It's all politics though.

Of course the EU cannot "offer" the UK a good deal. Because that implies that there is actually a better deal that could be had by all the other member states. It would be admiting that the EU was not optimal and that a better outcome could be achieved.

Talking about "punishments" and that the UK must pay a price plays to the domestic audiences of the member states who will have to pay more to maintain the EU budget.

The politicians in the EU need to appear tough to deter others from questioning the current arrangements. The politicians in the member countries have different concerns, specifically around their own economies.

So for example I read that the UK counts for about 30% of exports for Irish farmers. Food is severly hit under WTO rules. A no-deal would have a brutal impact on the Irish. Does the EU, this magnifiicant organisation that operates with the best interest of it's people want to deliberately damage the livlihoods of Irish, French & Spanish farmers, German car workers and so on because the English made a democratic decision?

If it does then it's a funny club to want to belong to.

The EU have presented the UK bill, obviously the UK doesn't want to pay the bill so Boris Johnson coined the term "punishment beating". However the bill is in line with International Law.

It is a bit like going into a bar, buying a round of drinks and walking out without paying.

My advice is for everyone is to tighten their belts, save up and pay their "bar bill".

[The_Equalizer]

The EU have presented the UK bill, obviously the UK doesn't want to pay the bill so Boris Johnson coined the term "punishment beating". However the bill is in line with International Law.

It is a bit like going into a bar, buying a round of drinks and walking out without paying.

My advice is for everyone is to tighten their belts, save up and pay their "bar bill".

Any chance of stating these laws, or you could just link to an article in the Indepedent.

[tomtomagain]

The EU have presented the UK bill, obviously the UK doesn't want to pay the bill so Boris Johnson coined the term "punishment beating". However the bill is in line with International Law.

It is a bit like going into a bar, buying a round of drinks and walking out without paying.

My advice is for everyone to tighten their belts and pay their "bar bill".

Why do you just accept that at face value?

The House of Lords did some analysis and concluded that there was nothing in the existing EU treaties that could enforce a payment. Now assuming they actually took some sound legal advice, and you've got to think they did, there is likely to be some truth to it.

I saw an article somewhere else recently ( cannot find it now ) which said that "Brussels lawyers have 'admitted' that they cannot enforce an exit bill".

Remember the whole A50 process was so badly written that it's probably got huge holes in it.

Regarding Borris and the "Punishment Beatings" quote. Well he's a politician doing what he does best, moving public opinion to his side of the argument.

And it appears to be working for him.

[motoukenin]

It's all politics though.

Of course the EU cannot "offer" the UK a good deal. Because that implies that there is actually a better deal that could be had by all the other member states. It would be admiting that the EU was not optimal and that a better outcome could be achieved.

Talking about "punishments" and that the UK must pay a price plays to the domestic audiences of the member states who will have to pay more to maintain the EU budget.

The politicians in the EU need to appear tough to deter others from questioning the current arrangements. The politicians in the member countries have different concerns, specifically around their own economies.

So for example I read that the UK counts for about 30% of exports for Irish farmers. Food is severly hit under WTO rules. A no-deal would have a brutal impact on the Irish. Does the EU, this magnifiicant organisation that operates with the best interest of it's people want to deliberately damage the livlihoods of Irish, French & Spanish farmers, German car workers and so on because the English made a democratic decision?

If it does then it's a funny club to want to belong to.

Not sure what they are doing about the Irish border but having been there a few times it would be a difficult border to regulate as in some cases farms and houses have land in both ROI and NI.
There is some discussion about putting the NI customs border back in England with all goods from NI being checked as they leave or enter there.

See your point about German car workers and EU Farmers but they have been told that the decision is with the EU council, BMW and farmers will not be part of the discussions and will have no say in the negotiations it will be a unanimous decision among EU politicians only and very few of them represent German car workers or EU farmers that trade with the UK.

[PurpleGorilla]

How the EU is making a successful Brexit Difficult

The EU have presented the UK bill, obviously the UK doesn't want to pay the bill so Boris Johnson coined the term "punishment beating". However the bill is in line with International Law.

It is a bit like going into a bar, buying a round of drinks and walking out without paying.

My advice is for everyone is to tighten their belts, save up and pay their "bar bill".

More like walking into a bar - saying 'the drinks are on me' - then your wife says 'are you fooking mad'!

[original PM]

It's all politics though.

Of course the EU cannot "offer" the UK a good deal. Because that implies that there is actually a better deal that could be had by all the other member states. It would be admiting that the EU was not optimal and that a better outcome could be achieved.

Talking about "punishments" and that the UK must pay a price plays to the domestic audiences of the member states who will have to pay more to maintain the EU budget.

The politicians in the EU need to appear tough to deter others from questioning the current arrangements. The politicians in the member countries have different concerns, specifically around their own economies.

So for example I read that the UK counts for about 30% of exports for Irish farmers. Food is severly hit under WTO rules. A no-deal would have a brutal impact on the Irish. Does the EU, this magnifiicant organisation that operates with the best interest of it's people want to deliberately damage the livlihoods of Irish, French & Spanish farmers, German car workers and so on because the English made a democratic decision?

If it does then it's a funny club to want to belong to.

It cares not a jot - for the same reason it does not want to discuss the rights of EU citizens currently in the UK and vice versa.

It only cares about itself continuing as a political establishment.

The fact that they are playing with people's lives only makes it more fun for them and allows them to dream of the good old days when only special people had value and everyone else was simply there to be used and cast aside.