No To Retro Tax - Ongoing battle against S58 FA2008

[screwthis]

I was in the MP scheme but am not currently a member of NTRT.

Isn't it the case that it doesn't matter which appeal wins (Huitson, Shiner or NTRT) because everyone in the scheme will benefit from the precedent anyway?

£1200 is quite a lot of money to fork out if it's not necessary.

Suspicious name and join date??

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Suspicious name and join date??

I was just going for idiotic. After all its not like the reason used by George has been accepted by HMRC yet.... I'm not involved but I really can't imagine HMRC will left off anyone who isn't part of the original FTT tribunal. If anything they will try to find any other reason they can dream off to get money off those who don't join...

[centurian]

Suspicious name and join date??

My thoughts exactly - and also quite well informed about the three challenges going on.

Pre-APN days, freeloading might have worked - HMRC would be crazy to even try to enforce.

But with APNs, it's flipped on it's head. HMRC could easily refund the APNs only for the named users who win at FTTT and keep hold of it for everyone else ("personal circumstances" etc.).

ns1 will then have to fund his own legal action to get his APN money back and that will cost a lot more than £1,200

[BolshieBastard]

I was in the MP scheme but am not currently a member of NTRT.

Isn't it the case that it doesn't matter which appeal wins (Huitson, Shiner or NTRT) because everyone in the scheme will benefit from the precedent anyway?

£1200 is quite a lot of money to fork out if it's not necessary.

Hmmmm. I was late joining up to NTRT but Id been writing to my MP regularly as the guys had asked people to do.

Ive also joined up to the TAA. My exposure is very low in all of this but Ive a couple of friends and colleague who are in for over 100k. I would not like to be in their shoes.

So, despite my exposure only being about 10 times the amount NTRT have asked for, I think its not only money well spent, I feel a moral obligation to pay it to help others overturn the utter wrong doing of S58 \ BN66.

I'd have settled for 50% of my small exposure but hmrc's intransigence has made me determined to stick to those twat in the hope we all pay nothing and some people at hmrc lose their jobs and or reputation.

At the end of the day, if people want to freeload (and make no mistake, this is what you're talking about) that's up to them. Myself, I couldnt live with myself knowing some people have been under immense stress all these years.

Ive worried about this thing for years even though my exposure is one of the smallest so Im told. I hate to think what people who couldnt pay must have been through.

Id ask you to look at your conscience (sp?) and stump up the £1200 to help not just yourself but others too.

Up to you.

[weetbix]

If you haven't got a CN, or assessment, then there is nothing to appeal against, and you can't apply to the FTT.

I'm really surprised you never received any.

Do you have access to HMRC on-line? Does it show any suspended payments.

Hi DR, No I haven't got access to that, I dont have a current tax account with HMRC as I left the UK over 13 years ago.. (quite incredible the time really).

I guess im going to have to write to HMRC again, this will be the 3rd time I have asked them for the documents, but they say they don't have them, but still insist I owe.
Should I mention I need the documents for the FTT ?

[bananarepublic]

I was in the MP scheme but am not currently a member of NTRT.

Isn't it the case that it doesn't matter which appeal wins (Huitson, Shiner or NTRT) because everyone in the scheme will benefit from the precedent anyway?

£1200 is quite a lot of money to fork out if it's not necessary.

I don't think so. Doesn't it depend on your grounds of appeal? Lets say for arguments sake that the TAA argument wins. Do you honestly think that HMRC are going to come knocking at your door saying that they are going to let you off now - if you weren't part of the action?

If you are too stingy to stump up and you think you understand the TAA why don't you ask HMRC to review your case? Just be prepared for the rubber glove treatment.

If you want the benefit from TAA then surely £1200 is small price to pay, assuming that your liability is in the '00,000's (or more) which is the case with most of us who have joined?

In my own case I joined NTRT quite a while back and paid the required sub. I didn't voluntarily pay more (others did) because I felt that the earlier lobbying efforts would not lead anywhere. However, the TAA is different kettle of fish and well worth the money.

[centurian]

Do you honestly think that HMRC are going to come knocking at your door saying that they are going to let you off now - if you weren't part of the action?

That's the beauty of APNs - they won't need to come knocking - they will already have his money (assuming he has means to pay) they could theoretically just sit on his money and make him go to FTTT to get it back.

And even if his has limited means to pay, they could enforce the APN anyway - as it was DOTAS-able, leaving him with no money at all to fund a case at FTTT.

[growler]

I was in the MP scheme but am not currently a member of NTRT.

Isn't it the case that it doesn't matter which appeal wins (Huitson, Shiner or NTRT) because everyone in the scheme will benefit from the precedent anyway?

£1200 is quite a lot of money to fork out if it's not necessary.

Hi Hector!

I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece

[smalldog]

I was in the MP scheme but am not currently a member of NTRT.

Isn't it the case that it doesn't matter which appeal wins (Huitson, Shiner or NTRT) because everyone in the scheme will benefit from the precedent anyway?

£1200 is quite a lot of money to fork out if it's not necessary.

Brill so you think one of them will win! thats my thinking too, if this is Hector they are obviously on the same page as us lot, i.e. theyre F**ked! hehehe

[SantaClaus]

I was in the MP scheme but am not currently a member of NTRT.

Isn't it the case that it doesn't matter which appeal wins (Huitson, Shiner or NTRT) because everyone in the scheme will benefit from the precedent anyway?

£1200 is quite a lot of money to fork out if it's not necessary.

Good luck, you're on your own.