Clarity is back as an FCSA member

[sadkingbilly]

Sorry, you're biased towards this person Lucy. If you don't see that, that's your problem. Nothing I wrote was unsubstantiated, and people should always check on Companies House to follow any trail suggested in this forum. Trust but verify.

Checking the history of a company is something anybody can do and isn't stalker activity, it is due diligence. I don't know anything about Lucy except what she's posted here on the forum. If you're suggested someone shouldn't use Companies House as that's "a bit stalker-ish", maybe you need to go to the police. Of course, it isn't stalker-ish, so they'll laugh at you.

The solution for all this was for Clarity to provide clarity, but none was forthcoming. They did a business deal earlier this year and a Cypriot company has taken over from a control perspective. That's all the matters. They can have FCSA membership all they want, but they are naive if they think offshore holdings are normal, and anybody defending that isn't to be trusted.

I doubt none of my 3 friends would have heard of this situation until PSR got in touch if I hadn't done some basic searches online. Similarly, you were very happy to jump on the thread to defend without much research. I was accidentally tipped off about it in a passing conversation with one of my accountants. Anybody can check companieshouse.gov.uk and see the info is correct, Lucy resigned 20th June as person of significant control. I asked a best friend of their experience and they suggested nothing had changed, which I knew wasn't true. I then looked up the register for Quitron holdings and seen they had been struck off, only to save it in time. The FCSA then got in touch with agencies and then agencies got in touch with contractors telling them to choose another FCSA approved umbrella. The FCSA are silent on the matter. Is that all normal, to you?

I am shocked at the defence of what has happened and think it is very obvious Clarity should have announced the change and explained Lucy was still in charge. The FCSA taking action would've still been a shock, but at least nothing was disguised. As it is, to translate this into some personal vendetta is nonsense and I won't be responding any more.

People are busy parents and have busy lives, they don't have time to be jumping about constantly tracing companies and all was only revealed because of a poster on this forum. Thanks go to them.

Just because you like or know somebody doesn't remove that control of a business has been relinquished. Business is business and too many people here are trying to pretend it's personal with the FCSA or Clarity.

yeh, big archie dahn the pub says.....................................
i really don't get your extreme levels of interest here.
all because of one or two 'friends'?
there's an agenda here, i reckon.

[eek]

They posted a similar summary with an article on the other thread and I thought it was a mistake, but they've posted the same information here again. I can't see any link and WTFH this is what "unsubstantiated" looks like, because there is no link, not anything I posted.

I haven't a clue why Nothing to see here is talking about Honest Payroll here.

The reason I posted it was to emphasis a particular point I wanted to make to Protagoras but it's utterly irrelevant to this story as I don't believe any of the Cypriot group pay money to workers in advance.

[Nothing to see here]

I haven't a clue why Nothing to see here is talking about Honest Payroll here.

The reason I posted it was to emphasis a particular point I wanted to make to Protagoras but it's utterly irrelevant to this story as I don't believe any of the Cypriot group pay money to workers in advance.

And I simply mentioned it because you mentioned it in your response. There was never any intention to conflate any links - just picking up on something you raised. Personally I think that foreign ownership of Clarity is a bit of a storm in a teacup and I've zero reason to think that it is any bad reflection on Lucy or would cause any issues for their customers.

The situation at Honest however probably deserves a thread all of its own.

[agentzero]

yeh, big archie dahn the pub says.....................................
i really don't get your extreme levels of interest here.
all because of one or two 'friends'?
there's an agenda here, i reckon.

I've messaged a MOD in detail about this and won't be commenting on this matter again.

Maybe lay off the crack for a while. There is no agenda except transparency. As soon as another umbrella or agenda do anything which isn't published with a press release and lose FCSA accreditation and membership, of which I might have a personal interest via friends, I'll be doing the exact same thing and following the trail again.

You've become a stain on this forum and, at this rate, will end up banned for pointless posts in the professional forums.

[agentzero]

And I simply mentioned it because you mentioned it in your response. There was never any intention to conflate any links - just picking up on something you raised. Personally I think that foreign ownership of Clarity is a bit of a storm in a teacup and I've zero reason to think that it is any bad reflection on Lucy or would cause any issues for their customers.

The situation at Honest however probably deserves a thread all of its own.

The issue was you didn't use the reply function to reply to Eek. Had you done so, the context would have been crystal clear. Context matters.

[Nothing to see here]

The issue was you didn't use the reply function to reply to Eek. Had you done so, the context would have been crystal clear. Context matters.

Agreed. Lesson learned!

[Ketto]

Ah, but that could now change overnight as Lucy is no longer a person of significant control. The ultimate owner does matter. Also, I can't say that anyone comes out of this debacle looking great. Personally, I would think carefully about whether you want to hassle. Until recent events, I would've always recommended Clarity and used them myself if I were ever in the unfortunate position of needing an Umbrella, but I don't think I would anymore. Damage is done, IMHO.

Same here. I say this as someone with the opposite of an agenda against the company, I really value having a trustworthy brolly i can use as my first choice should the need arise and they were it (like Contractor Umbrella were back in the day). My reaction to this situation would be the same if any of the other big providers had behaved in the same way.

[sadkingbilly]

You've become a stain on this forum and, at this rate, will end up banned for pointless posts in the professional forums.

oh, sorry, i must have missed your election to High Arbiter of Forum Behaviour.
I still doubt your motives.

[jamesbrown]

Eek posted in this thread and mentioned it. Just responding to that post. I'm pretty sure there's no connection between Clarity and Honest. I've edited my response to add context.

FWIW, this misunderstanding between you and eek is what resulted in the other thread being closed. Choose your words carefully and, equally, read posts carefully (I am not only addressing this to you).

[b0redom]

At the risk of dragging this thread back on topic......

Clarity may have regained their FCSA membership, but I've just had an email from PSR/AMS to say that because of new legislation "which introduces ‘Joint and Several Liability’ within the umbrella industry" they're cutting their list of approved umbrellas, and Clarity is getting the boot anyway.