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[Hobosapien]

I was reading a thing yesterday about the MullardPhilipsNXPNexperia site in Stockport where they were installing CHP systems in an atempt to reduce the effects of the genius energy costs to industry brought in by the current bunch of no hopers.

http://democracy.stockport.gov.uk/mg...aspx?ID=115020



Talk about deliberately shooting oneself in the foot.

And this lot are "supposed" to be the party of capitalism and industry.

Then again, what do they know about anything other than PPE these days?

Useless Eton educated mother****ers.

And don't get me started on that **** Osbourne.

Why don't they form the cabinet ministers from experts in the respective fields rather than expect career politicians, and the job for life civil servants who work for whichever government is in power, to know anything that matters.

Maybe a government system put in place before the industrial revolution is not fit for purpose in the modern world.

Taxes on electricity is just the start. Once leccy cars become even more prevalent they'll raise the tax on leccy to encourage lower usage as the demand on the national grid won't be able to cope. i.e. tax (for spending elsewhere) rather than invest in solving the problem. Always the way.

[DoctorStrangelove]

I was reading a thing yesterday about the MullardPhilipsNXPNexperia site in Stockport where they were installing CHP systems in an atempt to reduce the effects of the genius energy costs to industry brought in by the current bunch of no hopers.

http://democracy.stockport.gov.uk/mg...aspx?ID=115020

“The UK Energy Act (2013) introduced rising surcharges on UK Electricity in order to
drive through investment in low CO2 power generation.

For NXP Semiconductors UK Ltd this equates to a >£1.1M per annum increase in cost by 2018 , with rates of
increase set through to 2020 & forecast to rise again between 2020-2025 .

As a major exporter in an international marketplace, where the majority of NXP’s competitors
overseas already benefit from much lower Energy costs (as per BIS/DECC data), the
requirement to reduce our energy costs in the UK is becoming increasingly urgent in
order to remain competitive and secure employment

Talk about deliberately shooting oneself in the foot.

And this lot are "supposed" to be the party of capitalism and industry.

Then again, what do they know about anything other than PPE these days?

Useless Eton educated mother****ers.

And don't get me started on that **** Osbourne.

[BR14]

That sounded like a good idea until I saw where it came from.

the turbine or the gas??

[DoctorStrangelove]

Or even a gas turbine as they require less maintenance.

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That sounded like a good idea until I saw where it came from.

[Lance]

get enough solar fitted so that you get the grid to buy your surplus.
Then get a diesel generator, run it on red diesel and become a supplier.
Win win.

Or even a gas turbine as they require less maintenance.

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[WTFH]

not as easy to nick as a generator either!

3 gennies in 3 years.

[d000hg]

When they were doing the crazy incentives it seemed like a brilliant idea as you could make substantial money.

Then they seemingly took them all away.

I've started seeing more adverts for solar incentives on FB recently; have things swung back somewhat?

[WTFH]

Maybe the government will force builders to panel all new build roofs if the cost becomes more bearable.

Doubtful. If you buy electricity then you are paying tax on it, the supply company is paying tax, the generating company is paying tax.
If you go solar, you are only paying a little tax on the purchase, and nothing thereafter.

[Hobosapien]

The cost of solar panels has been kept artificially high due to the lovely EU (and US) protectionism against cheaper Chinese panel imports. Goes somewhat against the ethos of improving renewable power and surprised the greenies haven't been kicking up a stink in terms of saving the planet from carbon based emissions.

Looks like common sense has prevailed and restrictions are being lifted:

EU ends trade controls on Chinese solar panels | Reuters

So should see cheaper offerings soon.

Maybe the government will force builders to panel all new build roofs if the cost becomes more bearable.

[Fred Bloggs]

Have to say, my own research a few months ago into solar PV on our house was negative. I used one of the on line calculators to estimate the kw potential generation, the cost and the return from panels installed on both East and West facing roofs. The upshot was that it was a better investment to put the money into National Grid shares and use the dividend which would more than cover the combined electric and gas bills. So, solar PV doesn't seem a great investment for us.

[BR14]

not as easy to nick as a generator either!

[vetran]

This summer a local cricket club installed solar power. 7kW of panels along with batteries & controller. They are now totally off-grid. The batteries store 22kWh of electricity (they are rated at 50%, so the official figure is 11kWh)
Total cost was around £16,000. It works very well. (This compares with £5,000 for a generator or £100,000 to run main electric to the club)

If I were doing it on my house, I'd get batteries, but only as a back-up for if the mains electric failed. I'd not spend the money on enough batteries to run the house all the time.

not as easy to nick as a generator either!

[Hobosapien]

My gran had solar panels put on her bungalow as part of some council sheltered housing initiative. Most of her close had them done. They had to come back a while later and reinforce her roof.

No idea if they just screwed up the original weight bearing calcs or if it was some scam to get more money out of the council. This was over 5 years ago so maybe the panel system is lighter these days.

Something to look into before signing up.

[WTFH]

This summer a local cricket club installed solar power. 7kW of panels along with batteries & controller. They are now totally off-grid. The batteries store 22kWh of electricity (they are rated at 50%, so the official figure is 11kWh)
Total cost was around £16,000. It works very well. (This compares with £5,000 for a generator or £100,000 to run main electric to the club)

If I were doing it on my house, I'd get batteries, but only as a back-up for if the mains electric failed. I'd not spend the money on enough batteries to run the house all the time.

[northernladuk]

This may change your mind when it appears:

Tesla Solar Roof | Tesla UK