Reply to: HMRC hasn't beaten the contractor, apathy has.....

[AnthonyQuinn]

Oh so smug.

I wonder if you'll be quite as chipper when HMRC have squeezed their current victims dry and come after you with some new cr@ppy bit of unbalanced legislation?

I have been inside IR35 since 2017 in the public sector. I refused to join permanent.

Only last October did I get a 6 month outside gig. Dont fall off your chair. You will still earn more than your permanent counterparts. It's just that you will pay tax at the same rate as them. And yes, you will often have the option to go permanent as well. Dont whinge.

[Snooky]

How can you 'fight' the decision? What tools / options do you have? Most people look at contractors as tax dodgers. To be fair more than half of the contractor community (especially the herds working at banks) are so disguised employees that they dont even need to put on the disguise any more.

There's an excellent post today about a contractor who did what a sensible business would. Planned for over the three years, implemented processes and educated the client. This is what makes him a business like any other. For most others, who have no clue about the most significant legislation impacting their business, the tax dodge is over.

Its already separating the wheat from the chaff in my client.

Oh so smug.

I wonder if you'll be quite as chipper when HMRC have squeezed their current victims dry and come after you with some new cr@ppy bit of unbalanced legislation?

[Manic]

3 years to educate 1 client so they kept 1 contractor

The truth is that most companies want temporary employees and that is now what they are going to get.

Congrats to him, just means he has 3 years downtime after his next role.

[cojak]

3 years to educate 1 client so they kept 1 contractor

The truth is that most companies want temporary employees and that is now what they are going to get.

This.

Nothing more to be said really.

[eek]

There's an excellent post today about a contractor who did what a sensible business would. Planned for over the three years, implemented processes and educated the client. This is what makes him a business like any other. For most others, who have no clue about the most significant legislation impacting their business, the tax dodge is over.

3 years to educate 1 client so they kept 1 contractor

The truth is that most companies want temporary employees and that is now what they are going to get.

[AnthonyQuinn]

I've given in, nothing will make the changes go away.


Turns out Cap were right as most of the other contractors while publicly talking about fighting the decisions simply accepted the decision and will carry onside until they find something else, which in this market isn't going to happen anytime soon.

Maybe we need to put something on facebook, at least then we'd get "thoughts and prayers" to solve the problem!

How can you 'fight' the decision? What tools / options do you have? Most people look at contractors as tax dodgers. To be fair more than half of the contractor community (especially the herds working at banks) are so disguised employees that they dont even need to put on the disguise any more.

There's an excellent post today about a contractor who did what a sensible business would. Planned for over the three years, implemented processes and educated the client. This is what makes him a business like any other. For most others, who have no clue about the most significant legislation impacting their business, the tax dodge is over.

Its already separating the wheat from the chaff in my client.

[ladymuck]

Because 'You are all f**ked!!!' sounds a lot more exciting.

It was more because of the link to a different thread from within this thread.

Being simple, I am easy confused

[northernladuk]

What? Why?

Because 'You are all f**ked!!!' sounds a lot more exciting.

[ladymuck]

Can someone change the thread title please?

https://www.contractoruk.com/forums/...all-along.html

What? Why?

[Paralytic]

Can someone change the thread title please?

https://www.contractoruk.com/forums/...all-along.html

[DevUK]

Sorry, only just seen your question. When it became obvious that the UK contracting industry was under serious attack and was going to effectively end, I took the decision to give up on the industry completely. I took overseas jobs (two of them one after the other) where my skills were in demand, highly appreciated and rewarded appropriately. I have worked in the USA, Australia, UAE, Oman, Korea, Japan, Germany, Sweden and other places too since I left the UK. I am earning more than ever I did as a UK contractor and having the time of my life too. Working in places and meeting people I wouldn't have experienced if I'd stayed in the UK fighting a rear guard battle I was doomed to lose. And that's if I managed to find any work at all anyway. My planned retirement is now imminent and well funded. And as a bonus, the UK government has had absolutely zero revenue from me since I left. If they'd left me alone, I was paying a load of various taxes, but that wasn't on their agenda. My plan A has worked just fine and dandy.

Well played, good sir.

If I had the flexibility of relocating I'd have done the same.

[Fred Bloggs]

What is/was your plan A?

Sorry, only just seen your question. When it became obvious that the UK contracting industry was under serious attack and was going to effectively end, I took the decision to give up on the industry completely. I took overseas jobs (two of them one after the other) where my skills were in demand, highly appreciated and rewarded appropriately. I have worked in the USA, Australia, UAE, Oman, Korea, Japan, Germany, Sweden and other places too since I left the UK. I am earning more than ever I did as a UK contractor and having the time of my life too. Working in places and meeting people I wouldn't have experienced if I'd stayed in the UK fighting a rear guard battle I was doomed to lose. And that's if I managed to find any work at all anyway. My planned retirement is now imminent and well funded. And as a bonus, the UK government has had absolutely zero revenue from me since I left. If they'd left me alone, I was paying a load of various taxes, but that wasn't on their agenda. My plan A has worked just fine and dandy.

[Paralytic]

It was always going to be the permitractors within or ranks that would do-us-in. Like civil servants bogging the country down in useless goo.

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[eek]

The problem is that all contractors think they are the only contractor and all the rest are permietractors.

HMRC want to determine how much tax is paid without reference to any rule.

The Employer NI department of HMRC want and need their firewall to be kept in tact.

The fact they will recover the £500m they want at the expense of £3bn (and reduced growth) elsewhere is going to be a very interesting lesson that they won't learn.

[BrilloPad]

It was always going to be the permitractors within or ranks that would do-us-in. Like civil servants bogging the country down in useless goo.

The problem is that all contractors think they are the only contractor and all the rest are permietractors.

HMRC want to determine how much tax is paid without reference to any rule.