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[vetran]

Same

I got my permie job thanks to my company bringing it back in house. I have spent the last 2 years getting it up to scratch, now the users don't spit on the floor when you mention IT.

However from my short experience as an outsider IBM do seem to look after their staff if they are 'in favour'.

[Alexander Coe]

Hello all, this is my first post
can anyone give me any feedback on being outsourced by Ibm consulting?

IBM used to handle all the support and various other IT areas at my current place, they got a new CFO and his first decision was (and I quote) "to in-source the F*** out of IBM"

They threw IBM out a few months before my contract started, but everything I have heard since has been negative

[whyme]

I went through a TUPE transfer a few years ago. Aside from no information from either company (very professional job all round), it was simply a case of turning up for work on Monday, but for the insourcer.

Basically, your employee rights (overtime, holidays, etc) remain the same, with the exception of pensions, where you will fall in line with whatever the new company offer. Eventually, you will probably be expected to sign a new contract, to bring you into line with the existing staff - so you may lose some benefits. It's worth checking if they have plans to do this, and what they expect you to sign away.

You are not treated as a new employee. If you were with the previous employer for 5 years, you are seen as having given 5 years service with the new one.

But, frankly if your experience is anything like mine, then now is a very good time to look to the contracting market

[Fleetwood]

advice

[Mustang]

TUPE regs

TUPE regs come into account when redundancies are being discussed. In a nutshell, a company has certain obligations to the employees if the job reductions are being instigated as a result of a merger or acquisition of another company. The company has to disclose the merger and follow the rules.

It is a fairly complicated area of employment law so I would seek professional advise.

HTH

[thunderlizard]

I know somebody who works for IMB Consulting, albeit in the Netherlands. He didn't have any complaints, and said they were a nice bunch. They paid for a very expensive training course, put him up in a massive luxury apartment while everybody else was in hotels, and gave him an expense account big enough for several of us to eat off. But it might be different in less liberal countries!

[Francko]

the project managers seem to be chosen for their sociopathic tendencies

Is this why they have chosen LB?

[Churchill]

I've contracted for IBM on several occasions, I mainly do design work at Hursley on MQ that kind of thing, and it is quite a nice environment. When I've contracted for IBM professional services though things are really quite different, the project managers seem to be chosen for their sociopathic tendencies, and nowadays I just avoid.

Threaded, "Kings Head" or "The Dolphin"?

[threaded]

I've contracted for IBM on several occasions, I mainly do design work at Hursley on MQ that kind of thing, and it is quite a nice environment. When I've contracted for IBM professional services though things are really quite different, the project managers seem to be chosen for their sociopathic tendencies, and nowadays I just avoid.

[Francko]

From the tone of your question, I'm assuming you're a permie. Please correct me if I'm wrong. As this is a contractors' board, I could only tell you what IBM are like to work "with" rather than work "for". Unfortunately I can't as they would probably sue me for libel if I did.

As for TUPE regulations, you can find a wealth of information about them on this website: Everything You Need To Know About TUPE Regulations

You can send a private message, can't you? I am actually quite interested myself. How about contracting "for" i b m business consulting? I am sure they also use contractors too, don't they?

[AtW]

My ex-ex-employer had IBM salesmen win company on switching to DB2/WebSphere from Sybase/Perl - DB2 was "free", the only catch was that if we do anything to it ourselves then warranty will be invalidated and no suport provided, so some small patches our sysadmin could have done actually resulted in having to wait for IBM's consultant who would do the same job but charge daily rate of something well over £1k.

IBM has got very good salespeople - probably best after Microsoft and Oracle, but that's about it.

[Mordac]

My current client has outsourced a part of their support operation to IBM. On that basis, can I suggest you try and talk your company out of their decision.

[sannyasin]

Thanks Luce, I am a permie.

[Lucifer Box]

From the tone of your question, I'm assuming you're a permie. Please correct me if I'm wrong. As this is a contractors' board, I could only tell you what IBM are like to work "with" rather than work "for". Unfortunately I can't as they would probably sue me for libel if I did.

As for TUPE regulations, you can find a wealth of information about them on this website: Everything You Need To Know About TUPE Regulations

[sannyasin]

Hello all, this is my first post
can anyone give me any feedback on being outsourced by Ibm consulting? My company is likely to outsource to them soon, and I would like to know what IBM consulting are like to work for. Also what are TUPE regulations?