Reply to: Do programmers make crap liars?

[Bunk]

The cake is a lie.

[sasguru]

Programmers tend to be black and white with no nuance or shades of grey.
That makes them crap at human relationships and therefore very few rise to positions of power in the industry whereby they may improve it.
The resultant vacuum at the top is filled by people with better "human" skills but little technical knowledge who then cock up big projects.
And so the cycle continues.

[Drewster]

Learn to ask the right questions - some developers can be devious bastards!

For example:
RelMan: You are not trying to pass this pile of steaming tulip as being "Tested" are you?
DBD: <visible wince and slight twitch> It. has. undergone. a. full. regression. test. and. no. defects. are. outstanding.
RelMan: Bollox
DBD: <visible wince and slight twitch> It. has. undergone. a. full. regression. test. and. no. defects. are. outstanding.

[Churchill]

When I was a PM in a previous life before getting back to what I love, the developing, many a time I heard programmers tell me that everything was working and UAT/regression tests passed etc....

Lying bar stewards!!

So I think programmers must have a natural propencity for throwing some large untruths around.

Learn to ask the right questions - some developers can be devious bastards!

[TimberWolf]

When I was a PM in a previous life before getting back to what I love, the developing, many a time I heard programmers tell me that everything was working and UAT/regression tests passed etc....

Lying bar stewards!!

So I think programmers must have a natural propencity for throwing some large untruths around.

The better they are, the less fibs they (need to) tell though.

[Scrag Meister]

When I was a PM in a previous life before getting back to what I love, the developing, many a time I heard programmers tell me that everything was working and UAT/regression tests passed etc....

Lying bar stewards!!

So I think programmers must have a natural propencity for throwing some large untruths around.

[expat]

Most of us have a personal life quite distinct from our ptofessional life, (the occasional glimpses on here are often fascinating), so I don't see why not.

But in our professional life it is true that, unlike many people's professional lives, there is such a thing as objective truth and it cannot be BS'ed away.

I think that's why accountants can sometimes make good users: they live in the same professional world, where if it's wrong it's wrong, no two ways about it.

That scientific nature of it is one of the things I like about computers. Sometimes it is possible to win an argument just by being right.

[TimberWolf]

Be true to the cod

Carp code?

[Churchill]

Lying, deceit and self-deception makes crap code.

Be true to the cod

[TimberWolf]

yes it does

Lying, deceit and self-deception makes crap code.

[DaveB]

Why assume that lying is mutually exclusive to being able to program?

Lying requires inventiveness, a good memory, quick thinking and the ability to create a plausible narrative without breaking into a sweat.

Sounds more like project management to me.

[Spacecadet]

Programming doesn't though.

yes it does

[TimberWolf]

Why assume that lying is mutually exclusive to being able to program?

Lying requires inventiveness, a good memory, quick thinking and the ability to create a plausible narrative without breaking into a sweat.

Programming doesn't though.

[Pogle]

FTFY

How very dare you

[Spacecadet]

Lying, deceit, self deception and other human conditions don't help get working programs written and might even be a hindrance to producing bullet-proof code. Does this mean good programmers make crap liars? Or would they employ
a split personality and turn off the lying scheming one for work purposes?

Why assume that lying is mutually exclusive to being able to program?

Lying requires inventiveness, a good memory, quick thinking and the ability to create a plausible narrative without breaking into a sweat.