Reply to: How are you enjoying your bank holiday?

[vetran]

Yes unfortunately so.
I have had good reason to recently gain a fair understanding and appreciation for the level of corruption in the police and it is not beyond the realms of possibility that you will be able to discover more at some juncture soon via the erstwhile news channels that you mention.
One thing that has come to light is just how much it appears that corrupt police don't give a s**t and the apparent numbers of apparently non-corrupt police that don't give a s**t that their colleagues are corrupt.
I cannot say much more at the moment.

When something is endemic in an organisation and individuals get ostracised for trying to tackle sadly it becomes difficult to turn the ship around without a committed new captain or a very large light shone on it from outside. Lets hope Parliament & the press sort what is clearly many officers causing issues and the system supporting them.

Wayne Couzens has lifted the lid and people see it is part sewer. Oddly Keir Starmer is well placed to press this to make change happen but he doesn't, Rishi should get someone like Gove unleashed and in attack mode then back him.

[courtg9000]

so the press it is, try the wail! or LBC / GBnews

Yes unfortunately so.
I have had good reason to recently gain a fair understanding and appreciation for the level of corruption in the police and it is not beyond the realms of possibility that you will be able to discover more at some juncture soon via the erstwhile news channels that you mention.
One thing that has come to light is just how much it appears that corrupt police don't give a s**t and the apparent numbers of apparently non-corrupt police that don't give a s**t that their colleagues are corrupt.
I cannot say much more at the moment.

[vetran]

Rather an understatement for the police's conduct. In any event FYI; there is only three specialist firms of solicitors who deal with this sort of matter and it difficult to get assistance because there are too many other serious cases. Pro-bono is near impossible and to initiate litigation via a general firm of solicitors requires £30k upfront. Therefore it's down to DIY. The police will inevitably destroy evidence and lie. Furthermore, the chief constable is already in the spotlight for corruption and having multiple affairs with junior police officers. The entire police force is corrupt.

so the press it is, try the wail! or LBC / GBnews

[Paddy]

Well if that is the case and the Police behaved inappropriately get a decent lawyer, if as you say it was reminiscent of torture and there is medical proof many organisations will be delighted to take her case pro-bono. Such police officers need to be off the force and luckily the legal profession are very aware a minority of Police are dirty. If that fails the newspapers would be interested.

However my experience of relatives and friends on the force is they do a very difficult job as best they can and put up with a lot of nasty idiots in situations most people would find very unpleasant.

Rather an understatement for the police's conduct. In any event FYI; there is only three specialist firms of solicitors who deal with this sort of matter and it difficult to get assistance because there are too many other serious cases. Pro-bono is near impossible and to initiate litigation via a general firm of solicitors requires £30k upfront. Therefore it's down to DIY. The police will inevitably destroy evidence and lie. Furthermore, the chief constable is already in the spotlight for corruption and having multiple affairs with junior police officers. The entire police force is corrupt.

[vetran]

I have seen the results of police handcuffing on a completely innocent person when the police have used it as a method of punishment which technically is torture. The cuffs were on so tight they had to be cut off. The person was hospitalised and had to have treatment for the wrists for nearly 12 months. Still today her wrists are swollen. The police are just a bunch of sick bullies.

Well if that is the case and the Police behaved inappropriately get a decent lawyer, if as you say it was reminiscent of torture and there is medical proof many organisations will be delighted to take her case pro-bono. Such police officers need to be off the force and luckily the legal profession are very aware a minority of Police are dirty. If that fails the newspapers would be interested.

However my experience of relatives and friends on the force is they do a very difficult job as best they can and put up with a lot of nasty idiots in situations most people would find very unpleasant.

[Paddy]

I have seen the results of police handcuffing on a completely innocent person when the police have used it as a method of punishment which technically is torture. The cuffs were on so tight they had to be cut off. The person was hospitalised and had to have treatment for the wrists for nearly 12 months. Still today her wrists are swollen. The police are just a bunch of sick bullies.

[hobnob]

Still no harm done. For a change.

What also amuses me is the hysterics from the Republican prat in charge. No harm was done, nothing got disrupted other than his fragile ego and his day out in the rain

"harm" is a tricky one to define. If an innocent person gets handcuffed and arrested, then spends all day locked up in a police cell, have they been harmed?

A new case has been reported today:
Coronation: Royal fan held for 13 hours after being mistaken for protester - BBC News

Basically, the police arrested a group of "Just Stop Oil" protesters. They also arrested a woman who was standing nearby, who had nothing to do with them. I.e. she wasn't protesting against anything, she just wanted to watch the parade. As she's pointed out, if she missed Trooping the Colour then she could go along next year instead, but there (probably) won't be another coronation any time soon.

As with the safety volunteers who got arrested for handing out rape alarms at 2am, the Met are blaming this on police from other counties (in this case Lincolnshire).

[malvolio]

I will ask on the people I know who have been stopped and searched including those who were working for them at the time....

Feel free. It does not alter anything, nor prove or disprove wrongdoing. Nor intent, come to that

And fwiw I know a few of those as well - including me. They still seem reasonably undamaged.

[vetran]

I will ask on the people I know who have been stopped and searched including those who were working for them at the time....

This keeps coming up but the statistics seem to suggest stop & search is very effactive.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statis...5%20of%20cases.

Although overall searches under section 1 PACE (and associated legislation) are down by 8% in the year ending March 2022 compared with the year ending March 2020 (the year preceding the pandemic), 23 out of 43 police forces (including British Transport Police, but excluding Greater Manchester Police) saw an increase in the use of stop and search over that two-year period.

Of those 526,024 searches under section 1 PACE (and associated legislation), 66,772 led to an arrest. While the volume of arrests is 18% lower than the previous year, the arrest rate increased from 11% to 13% (since the decrease in the number of arrests is smaller than the fall in stop and searches). In 71% of stop and searches the outcome was recorded as needing ‘No further action’, similar to the previous year.

Police in England and Wales carried out 4,341 stop and searches under section 60 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act in anticipation of violence, a decrease of 52% compared with the number of searches under the same power in the year ending March 2021 (down from 9,002 to 4,341).

In total, police in England and Wales carried out 530,365 stop and searches, a decrease of 26% compared with the previous year (down 184,549 from 714,914 to 530,365). This is also 10% lower than the total number of stop and searches carried out in the year ending March 2020 (the year preceding the pandemic).

13% of stop & searches result in arrests? Seems pretty good. If you could get that conversion rate in Sales from a raw lead you would be a billionaire!

Copper spies someone suspect on the street and has bigger than one in ten chance of arresting them. 30% that they need further action. I like those odds, more likely than plod than catching a burglar or drunk driver.

By the way I have been stopped & questioned / searched a few times, big drunk youth out late at night or someone driving an old battered car=good prospect. I have had a 7 day wonder a few times.

[sadkingbilly]

I'm going to guess a T100

T120, as i said

[WTFH]

precisely

I'm going to guess a T100

[SueEllen]

That doesn't constitute harm. Or do you think the police don't know who the likely offenders are and just pick people at random? Their information is way better than that.

I will ask on the people I know who have been stopped and searched including those who were working for them at the time....

[sadkingbilly]

Sounds very Bonnie...

precisely

[WTFH]

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[sadkingbilly]

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