Reply to: BOOM: England and Wales getting lots more skilled people

[vetran]

Amazon shops are freaky - they just have cameras watching you.

The one I've been and the one I didn't feel like going in are next to a small chain supermarket and a independent shop. The other shops had people in them while the Amazon shop was like

it will evolve especially if they start a price war.

[SueEllen]

Not been in one yet.

https://www.pocket-lint.com/gadgets/...w-does-it-work

Amazon shops are freaky - they just have cameras watching you.

The one I've been and the one I didn't feel like going in are next to a small chain supermarket and a independent shop. The other shops had people in them while the Amazon shop was like

[vetran]

Have you been in an Amazon shop?

They aren't like those with self-service tills where there are still staff.

some are but a few aren't. Its the start. Not been in one yet.

https://www.pocket-lint.com/gadgets/...w-does-it-work

Amazon has been opening physical Amazon Go convenience stores and Amazon Go Grocery stores across the US and there are now numerous stores in London too, branded Amazon Fresh.

While Amazon has been scaling back some of its physical pop-ups, the company is all in on Go and Fresh stores, so we can expect to see more and more arriving around the world.

All have one thing in common - unlike most shops, there are no registers or cashiers. You walk in, pick out what you want, and walk out. Amazon calls it a 'just walk out' shopping experience.

[SueEllen]

I remember people saying that they would never use a self serve petrol pump 30 years ago, not any petrol pump attendants left since about 2000.

Pay at the pump will be driven by long queues in the kiosk just as self serve is. Pay at the pump is unlikely to remove many staff as you still need one to authorise the pumps. Pay at the pump does reduce drive aways though.

I am very happy whipping into a shop to pick up stuff and go out via self serve as it seems are most others.

Not sure where you are getting a personalised journey on most high streets, shop staff are rarely knowledgeable about their stock. There are probably shops that will fill that niche but most are very dismissive of their customers.

I was in ASDA last night and there were 20 self serves and 4 manned tills. It used to be the reverse a few years ago.

Lidl had 8 self serve and 1 manned till open.

Automation is a journey and we are definitely on it.

Have you been in an Amazon shop?

They aren't like those with self-service tills where there are still staff.

[vetran]

Amazon has tried that. What's interesting is that people want to go to shops to get a personalised experience otherwise they can order stuff online and get it delivered.

Petrol pumps to a certain extent are automated as well. However lots of people refuse to pay at the pump.

I remember people saying that they would never use a self serve petrol pump 30 years ago, not any petrol pump attendants left since about 2000.

Pay at the pump will be driven by long queues in the kiosk just as self serve is. Pay at the pump is unlikely to remove many staff as you still need one to authorise the pumps. Pay at the pump does reduce drive aways though.

I am very happy whipping into a shop to pick up stuff and go out via self serve as it seems are most others.

Not sure where you are getting a personalised journey on most high streets, shop staff are rarely knowledgeable about their stock. There are probably shops that will fill that niche but most are very dismissive of their customers.

I was in ASDA last night and there were 20 self serves and 4 manned tills. It used to be the reverse a few years ago.

Lidl had 8 self serve and 1 manned till open.

Automation is a journey and we are definitely on it.

[DoctorStrangelove]

The number of Romanian-born people in England and Wales rose 576% between 2011 and 2021 to 539,000

Well someone has to sell the Big Issue.

[malvolio]

It was never 50% go to university it was 50% go into higher or tertiary education. The media translated that into university and getting a degree, even though you can get other qualifications at a university.

And the explanation for why nurses have to have degrees is nursing isn't simply patient care anymore you have health care assistants whose job is simply patient care. (Though hospitals can't afford to employ enough of them.)

Tertiary education actually is 99% university these days - a lot of what used to be technical colleges and similar have "upgraded" so they can offer degrees. The point remains that 50% or thereabouts of "university" entrants are wasting their time and would be better served with proper vocational training.

As for nurses, the ones I've dealt with are, as you say, split between HCAs and "proper" nurses, who are concerned with admin, drug management and other lower-level management tasks. Jobs that used to be done by the ward sisters supported by staff nurses and dedicated but academically unqualified - albeit well trained -nurses. You will struggle to tell me the new way is an improvement.

NHS recruitment is beyond a joke anyway. then again, it is run by Human Remains professionals with no interest in healthcare.

[SueEllen]

No it is happening now. Self serve tills are still evolving. Staff free shops are being trialled. Predicting numbers would be difficult in such a case but lets give it a go.

Amazon has tried that. What's interesting is that people want to go to shops to get a personalised experience otherwise they can order stuff online and get it delivered.

Petrol pumps to a certain extent are automated as well. However lots of people refuse to pay at the pump.

[vetran]

A bit like today.

It has improved. You hear more 'common' accents.

[SueEllen]

Stop demanding 50% go to Uni and put the academically unqualified into apprenticeships or similar vocational training? For example, to become a nurse, first you need a degree in one of a few fairly unrelated academic subjects, none of which include patient care, so you can start a £15k a year job with a £32k debt.

It was never 50% go to university it was 50% go into higher or tertiary education. The media translated that into university and getting a degree, even though you can get other qualifications at a university.

And the explanation for why nurses have to have degrees is nursing isn't simply patient care anymore you have health care assistants whose job is simply patient care. (Though hospitals can't afford to employ enough of them.)

[WTFH]

Much was dictated by the upper classes. Not a good thing when you realise many of them were interbred.

A bit like today.

[vetran]

These are the jobs that Vet wants to automate.

How did the country cope when university education wasn't just limited to those prepared to risk (or who could afford) massive debts?

I don't want to automate it.

Automation is coming we either deny it or embrace it. If a machine is better placed to do something maybe we should redesign the workforce knowing that will happen? Many vocational jobs won't be fully automated, however many mundane tasks will be.

Much was dictated by the upper classes. Not a good thing when you realise many of them were interbred.

[WTFH]

We either reduce the necessity for people having degrees for entry level or vocational level jobs as stated above. If the country believes that the 50% is still worthwhile or necessary then these people should be given the first shot at jobs within the UK before offering them up to people from other countries.

These are the jobs that Vet wants to automate.

How did the country cope when university education wasn't just limited to those prepared to risk (or who could afford) massive debts?

[ShandyDrinker]

Stop demanding 50% go to Uni and put the academically unqualified into apprenticeships or similar vocational training? For example, to become a nurse, first you need a degree in one of a few fairly unrelated academic subjects, none of which include patient care, so you can start a £15k a year job with a £32k debt.

Far too much common sense in your reply. The aim of 50% going to Uni was always crazy.

And how do we prevent future generations from leaving university with massive debts?

We either reduce the necessity for people having degrees for entry level or vocational level jobs as stated above. If the country believes that the 50% is still worthwhile or necessary then these people should be given the first shot at jobs within the UK before offering them up to people from other countries.

[vetran]

Stop demanding 50% go to Uni and put the academically unqualified into apprenticeships or similar vocational training? For example, to become a nurse, first you need a degree in one of a few fairly unrelated academic subjects, none of which include patient care, so you can start a £15k a year job with a £32k debt.

plenty of apprenticeships offer degree level training now.

Nursing does seem odd that you require a degree to do. Maybe if they had created a nurse practitioner level that needed that and health services offered apprenticeships?