BOOM: England and Wales getting lots more skilled people

[vetran]

A lot of what you have mentioned above has already happened ... so where is the rest coming from that will remove 1/3 of the current unskilled workforce?

Again, some numbers would be good. Something like, there are x thousand warehouse workers in the UK, and x% will be automated out of a job by 20xx (but given warehouses, certainly the mega companies, are already automated I'm not sure there are many opportunities left there).

You talk vagaries, never any facts to substantiate your claims.

No it is happening now. Self serve tills are still evolving. Staff free shops are being trialled. Predicting numbers would be difficult in such a case but lets give it a go.

At McDonalds I suspect it will go from a staff of 30+ to 1-2 security guards and one burger loader.

Warehouses

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/26/w...g%20warehouses.

Ocado in London has 3000 robots so assume they work 3*8 hour shifts, have no holiday or training days that sounds like about 12,000 staff replaced in one warehouse.

Vending machines with hot food are a thing.

Try looking at my other posts.

[WTFH]

Our economy is built on the top 30% paying most of the tax and since Gordon Bruin the bottom third being on in work benefits. If you change the number of takers the whole thing will fall apart , welcome to a future of automation.

If we automate the menial tasks done by the lower paid, then even more end up on benefits as automation moves up the food chain. Which means taxpayers have to pay more to support all those who no longer have the opportunity to work and pay tax.
Not everyone is a rocket scientist or brain surgeon. Not everyone is an entrepreneur. Some people on low income who aren't currently on benefits are paying tax. It might not be as much tax as you, but they are contributing. If their jobs are automated, they have zero income, pay zero tax, and rely on benefits. If it's only 1 or 2 people, they could retrain and get a new job. If it's a few tens of thousands, it's less likely that they will all walk out of one job into another.

isn't wrong, increasing the size of the workers who take out more than they put in is utterly wrong unless you find a way to pay for it. Multiple governments can't even build enough homes (let alone services) for them.

How do you propose to fix that?

So, you want to reduce the number of people who take out more than they put in at a particular point in time. Is this your vote for euthanasia? Why prevent a young person from growing into a job that could be well paid in the future?

As for building homes, there's no point in building them if they are immediately snapped up by the BTL brigade to rip off young people while lining the pockets of those that complain about paying tax and blame Gordon Brown.
And while the elderly live in 4 bedroom houses on their own, the youth are squeezed into tiny flats. 40+ years ago, the elderly were moving in to smaller houses, selling them to younger ones. But no, that doesn't happen now, does it?
You want to solve the alleged housing crisis, work out where the biggest waste in bedrooms is.

[vetran]

Stop demanding 50% go to Uni and put the academically unqualified into apprenticeships or similar vocational training? For example, to become a nurse, first you need a degree in one of a few fairly unrelated academic subjects, none of which include patient care, so you can start a £15k a year job with a £32k debt.

plenty of apprenticeships offer degree level training now.

Nursing does seem odd that you require a degree to do. Maybe if they had created a nurse practitioner level that needed that and health services offered apprenticeships?

[ShandyDrinker]

Stop demanding 50% go to Uni and put the academically unqualified into apprenticeships or similar vocational training? For example, to become a nurse, first you need a degree in one of a few fairly unrelated academic subjects, none of which include patient care, so you can start a £15k a year job with a £32k debt.

Far too much common sense in your reply. The aim of 50% going to Uni was always crazy.

And how do we prevent future generations from leaving university with massive debts?

We either reduce the necessity for people having degrees for entry level or vocational level jobs as stated above. If the country believes that the 50% is still worthwhile or necessary then these people should be given the first shot at jobs within the UK before offering them up to people from other countries.

[WTFH]

We either reduce the necessity for people having degrees for entry level or vocational level jobs as stated above. If the country believes that the 50% is still worthwhile or necessary then these people should be given the first shot at jobs within the UK before offering them up to people from other countries.

These are the jobs that Vet wants to automate.

How did the country cope when university education wasn't just limited to those prepared to risk (or who could afford) massive debts?

[vetran]

These are the jobs that Vet wants to automate.

How did the country cope when university education wasn't just limited to those prepared to risk (or who could afford) massive debts?

I don't want to automate it.

Automation is coming we either deny it or embrace it. If a machine is better placed to do something maybe we should redesign the workforce knowing that will happen? Many vocational jobs won't be fully automated, however many mundane tasks will be.

Much was dictated by the upper classes. Not a good thing when you realise many of them were interbred.

[WTFH]

Much was dictated by the upper classes. Not a good thing when you realise many of them were interbred.

A bit like today.

[SueEllen]

Stop demanding 50% go to Uni and put the academically unqualified into apprenticeships or similar vocational training? For example, to become a nurse, first you need a degree in one of a few fairly unrelated academic subjects, none of which include patient care, so you can start a £15k a year job with a £32k debt.

It was never 50% go to university it was 50% go into higher or tertiary education. The media translated that into university and getting a degree, even though you can get other qualifications at a university.

And the explanation for why nurses have to have degrees is nursing isn't simply patient care anymore you have health care assistants whose job is simply patient care. (Though hospitals can't afford to employ enough of them.)

[vetran]

A bit like today.

It has improved. You hear more 'common' accents.

[SueEllen]

No it is happening now. Self serve tills are still evolving. Staff free shops are being trialled. Predicting numbers would be difficult in such a case but lets give it a go.

Amazon has tried that. What's interesting is that people want to go to shops to get a personalised experience otherwise they can order stuff online and get it delivered.

Petrol pumps to a certain extent are automated as well. However lots of people refuse to pay at the pump.