End oil colonialism

[WTFH]

Britain would be much better if the rampaging Angles, Saxons, etc, went back home, but that means those raging Angles, Saxons, etc would have to take responsibility for themselves for a change, and not blame others

[Whorty]

Perhaps those rampaging peoples who came out of the rift valley should compensate whoever was on the lands they took over.

The 'rampaging' early humans migrated over thousands of years from the rift valley to populate the world. As the first humans, they would not have encountered any other humans as they left the African continent and moved North into Europe.

They would have encountered Neanderthalls ... as you and Vetty seem to be direct descendants and were displaced by us humans, maybe you should put in a claim on behalf of your ancestors

[tazdevil]

Why not do a little research on how land was used in areas like South Africa before the settlers landed? Yes, there were 'kings', like Shaka Zulu, but they didn't own the land and the poor had nothing. The african tribes were nomadic across their territory .... the settlers rocked up, didn't see a town or city, so just settled where they felt like it (the clue is in the name settlers) ... when the land owners came back to their land they were fought off and killed. Hence why the likes of Shaka formed an army, to try to defend the lands that had been stolen from them.


I'll let you read why Zim is so buggered ... I'll give you a clue though, the natives have nothing and all the land and farms are 'owned' by descendants of the original settlers who stole the land from the natives.

Sounds like the history of any land. Our land has has been overrun by conquerors who simply took over. OK a while ago but the same thing. Africa isn't unique and anyone can go back far enough to find what they had was taken and used by someone else.

Perhaps those rampaging peoples who came out of the rift valley should compensate whoever was on the lands they took over. Or perhaps those horrid Arab slave traders should compensate nice North European girls and their men for the various slave raids they made

[Whorty]

Who actually owned the land that the Europeans 'grabbed' (Leased / purchased) not poor Africans it was the kings - did they buy it?

Why not do a little research on how land was used in areas like South Africa before the settlers landed? Yes, there were 'kings', like Shaka Zulu, but they didn't own the land and the poor had nothing. The african tribes were nomadic across their territory .... the settlers rocked up, didn't see a town or city, so just settled where they felt like it (the clue is in the name settlers) ... when the land owners came back to their land they were fought off and killed. Hence why the likes of Shaka formed an army, to try to defend the lands that had been stolen from them.

Are the present owners actually utilising the land or is Zimbabwe the basket case of Africa not the bread basket anymore?

I'll let you read why Zim is so buggered ... I'll give you a clue though, the natives have nothing and all the land and farms are 'owned' by descendants of the original settlers who stole the land from the natives.

[vetran]

Ah, I see ... because they didn't have European style land deeds, but instead relied upon their own cultural norms, then it's ok to just take their land? I assume you think it's ok the native North American and Australians also lost their lands in the same way?

Theft is theft mate.


Again, stop deflecting, it's only you talking about slavery. This thread is about land grabs.



Nice victim blaming there ... blame the African's for the carving up of their continent and nations. Maybe the below map will give you a clearer picture of how foreign nations stole Africa (not any Arab countries there) (20th century - yes it started before that, but this is the race for Africa.).

No one is saying the UK was the worst (or the best), that's all in your little Wail brain.

OK we won't talk about slavery if the west hadn't intervened it would still be happening (oh sorry it is, but at least it is now illegal not state sponsored).
Who actually owned the land that the Europeans 'grabbed' (Leased / purchased) not poor Africans it was the kings - did they buy it?

Who now owns the land that they are now selling to the west and east?

Are the present owners actually utilising the land or is Zimbabwe the basket case of Africa not the bread basket anymore?

[Whorty]

I look forward to seeing the deeds of sale that prove the land belonged to the particular africans the dutch moved.

Ah, I see ... because they didn't have European style land deeds, but instead relied upon their own cultural norms, then it's ok to just take their land? I assume you think it's ok the native North American and Australians also lost their lands in the same way?

Theft is theft mate.

Colonialism lasted for a 100 years, slavery and land grabs have been forever.

Again, stop deflecting, it's only you talking about slavery. This thread is about land grabs.

Yes the Africans, Arabs, Portuguese, spanish etc carved up africa but they only want reparations from the British & americans the rest laughed in their face.

Nice victim blaming there ... blame the African's for the carving up of their continent and nations. Maybe the below map will give you a clearer picture of how foreign nations stole Africa (not any Arab countries there) (20th century - yes it started before that, but this is the race for Africa.).

No one is saying the UK was the worst (or the best), that's all in your little Wail brain.

[vetran]

You read too much right wing, xenophobic spaff mate


Just like the millenia (sic) that the Europeans warred amongst itself ..... you do realise that 'Africa' is a continent and not a single country don't you?

You also understand that the reason the Chinese can buy land etc for peanuts is because the natives have nothing as they had it all stolen from them by colonial powers?


You do realise that Egypt is on the African continent don't you? You do realise that the Egyptians were not adverse to a little conquering of their own don't you? As many countries have done over the centuries.


Deflection. No one apart from you is talking about the slave trade. This is about colonialism. Nice try though fella.



So Rhodes purchased land that had been stolen from the natives? Good on him. His conscience is clear then. Phew. Well spotted fella. But fella, the land was stolen - the natives lived on that land and the settlers had no right to take it.


You do realise that when we talk about colonial conquests, we're not just talking about the British, but all the other nations too who carved up Africa and stole it's resources?

land has been stolen since the first human walked the earth.

I look forward to seeing the deeds of sale that prove the land belonged to the particular africans the dutch moved.

Colonialism lasted for a 100 years, slavery and land grabs have been forever.

Yes the Africans, Arabs, Portuguese, spanish etc carved up africa but they only want reparations from the British & americans the rest laughed in their face.

[Whorty]

What a load of bollocks.

You read too much right wing, xenophobic spaff mate

That would be the same Africa that warred amongst itself for millenia selling the captive enemy to anyone who would pay as slaves? Or the one the chinese are now buying for peanuts?

Just like the millenia (sic) that the Europeans warred amongst itself ..... you do realise that 'Africa' is a continent and not a single country don't you?

You also understand that the reason the Chinese can buy land etc for peanuts is because the natives have nothing as they had it all stolen from them by colonial powers?

Now as to colonisation you might want to have a little peek at African history and note the Africans were hardly slouches at conquering other countries like Egypt?

You do realise that Egypt is on the African continent don't you? You do realise that the Egyptians were not adverse to a little conquering of their own don't you? As many countries have done over the centuries.

Obviously the Beeb is wrong as usual it places many of the African kingdoms converting to colonies in the 1890s Just after the British ended the lucrative African approved slave trade.

Deflection. No one apart from you is talking about the slave trade. This is about colonialism. Nice try though fella.

You know Cecil Rhodes purchased the diamond mines from Dutch Farmers (hence De Beers) who had discovered diamonds on the land they had settled? I suppose Royal Dutch Shell can be seen as colonists for having north sea oil interests, maybe we can claim reparations?

So Rhodes purchased land that had been stolen from the natives? Good on him. His conscience is clear then. Phew. Well spotted fella. But fella, the land was stolen - the natives lived on that land and the settlers had no right to take it.

People were tulipty to each other long before the British ruled the waves.

You do realise that when we talk about colonial conquests, we're not just talking about the British, but all the other nations too who carved up Africa and stole it's resources?

[vetran]

Ah, that would be the South Africa that was run by colonialists for 200 years, and the land was taken from the natives and now 99.99% of the natives have nothing, not even basic health care, because the land and resources are held by non-native nationals/companies (DeBeers ring a bell?)

Take a look at most of these 'tin pot' countries as you call them, and the majority of their issues were caused by colonial land grab and taking of the natural resources from the rightful owners.

What a load of bollocks.

That would be the same Africa that warred amongst itself for millenia selling the captive enemy to anyone who would pay as slaves? Or the one the chinese are now buying for peanuts?

Now as to colonisation you might want to have a little peek at African history and note the Africans were hardly slouches at conquering other countries like Egypt?

https://historyofyesterday.com/the-f...f-931b60b4d9ff

Obviously the Beeb is wrong as usual it places many of the African kingdoms converting to colonies in the 1890s Just after the British ended the lucrative African approved slave trade.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/topic...ticles/z883gk7

You know Cecil Rhodes purchased the diamond mines from Dutch Farmers (hence De Beers) who had discovered diamonds on the land they had settled? I suppose Royal Dutch Shell can be seen as colonists for having north sea oil interests, maybe we can claim reparations?

People were tulipty to each other long before the British ruled the waves.

[Whorty]

How's that progressing with South Africa and every other corrupt tin-pot dictatorship in Africa?

Ah, that would be the South Africa that was run by colonialists for 200 years, and the land was taken from the natives and now 99.99% of the natives have nothing, not even basic health care, because the land and resources are held by non-native nationals/companies (DeBeers ring a bell?)

Take a look at most of these 'tin pot' countries as you call them, and the majority of their issues were caused by colonial land grab and taking of the natural resources from the rightful owners.

[Zigenare]

You think the UK should have control of our borders and land, and yet you don't seem to think the same should be the case for African nations and its residents....... interesting

How's that progressing with South Africa and every other corrupt tin-pot dictatorship in Africa?

[Whorty]

Oh goody its something we don't like lets call it colonialism. Funny the Arabs & Russians are those with the biggest colonies and offences as usual.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...e_desktop_news



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So you think it's Ok that 99.9% of African's have zero benefit from the natural resources that are extracted from their land? Land that was stolen from them by colonial countries and land now 'owned' by foreign companies?

You think the UK should have control of our borders and land, and yet you don't seem to think the same should be the case for African nations and its residents....... interesting

[vetran]

Reading a different newspaper may help lower your blood pressure.

nah no romper suit

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...oil-conference

[TheDude]

Reading a different newspaper may help lower your blood pressure.

[vetran]

Oh goody its something we don't like lets call it colonialism. Funny the Arabs & Russians are those with the biggest colonies and offences as usual.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...e_desktop_news

Extinction Rebellion activists storm Mayfair Hotel during energy summit: Activists hold protest in foyer and hang 'End Oil Colonialism' banner from front balcony

• Group unfurled banner across the front of the May Fair Hotel on Stratton Street, central London this morning
• The five-star hotel, near Buckingham Palace, is currently playing host to Africa E&P Summit and Exhibition
• The event due to hear from African ministers as well as from bosses of Africa Oil Corp and energy giant Shell

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