Reply to: A load of hot air?

[d000hg]

That's the sort of negativity that ... speck/plank?

Eh? I'm engaged in a reasonable discourse on what's available and realistic. Disagreement isn't negativity.

[WTFH]

They're having a laugh! Is that what installing a ground heat pump really involves?! No wonder it costs tens of thousands!

No, those are photos to show the concept of how you can lay multiple pipes.

[OwlHoot]

That's the sort of negativity that ... speck/plank?

Anyway, yes, you can run multiple lines - either as straight pipes or as slinkies.

They're having a laugh! Is that what installing a ground heat pump really involves?! No wonder it costs tens of thousands!

Boris the wonky shopping trolley is a Walter Mitty character, and away with the fairies!

To go a long way towards minimising the UK's carbon footprint, it would be far easier and more effective to ban air conditioning for cooling, and office fans that ran off the mains (as opposed to small desktop USB fans). There's no reason for supermarkets and shopping centres and offices to be like walk-in freezers.

[WTFH]

And when some navvies slice through one of the pipes with their digger at some point in the future what's the repair cost?

Best not bother doing it then.

[tazdevil]

And when some navvies slice through one of the pipes with their digger at some point in the future what's the repair cost?

[Gibbon]

What if...

Humans are simply doing what they've evolved to do? Just because we're consciously aware of our behaviour doesn't mean we're not destined to destroy. When we've all but wiped ourselves out, the planet will recover and a new dominant life form will arise. All lifeforms live to the limits afforded them by their environment - our environment just happens to be a bit bigger. You're all just delaying the inevitable cycle of life and death of a species.

There's some sense in this, space is the way out, find some other planet to exploit. Anyway, in the end its all futile as the Sun won't last forever. Neither will the universe, one day it will all be cold again.

[WTFH]

I wonder if I could bury it in my drive, that's about 100m long. Although I don't think that gives me enough power, unless I can lay two.

That's the sort of negativity that ... speck/plank?

Anyway, yes, you can run multiple lines - either as straight pipes or as slinkies.

[DoctorStrangelove]

More power, Igor!

Master, there is danger!

[d000hg]

Gosh. According to that site my garden isn't nearly big enough for a ground source heat pump.

Who'd have thunk?

I wonder if I could bury it in my drive, that's about 100m long. Although I don't think that gives me enough power, unless I can lay two.

[DoctorStrangelove]

Gosh. According to that site my garden isn't nearly big enough for a ground source heat pump.

Who'd have thunk?

[d000hg]

We need to consume less - no argument from me. But currently we probably use more equivalent kwh from gas than electricity in our homes, so if we are going to shift to all electric for everything (which we must) then there's no getting away from the fact that our grid infrastructure is going to need a serious overhaul - and that's probably before we even start thinking about charging our cars as well.

This is the sort of sense negativity WTFH is talking about. Pointing out realistic problems is not going to magically make everything better.

[vetran]

We need to consume less - no argument from me. But currently we probably use more equivalent kwh from gas than electricity in our homes, so if we are going to shift to all electric for everything (which we must) then there's no getting away from the fact that our grid infrastructure is going to need a serious overhaul - and that's probably before we even start thinking about charging our cars as well.

Agree completely about upgrading the Grid we also need to realise the proper definition is "consume less of the Earth's resources".

We need to do it as a planet as well. We can by switching to renewable power that is clean and plan for more people to use more individually across the world.

There is no point us living in freezing homes if China & India burn coal to supply us with trinkets or to try to keep up with the Jones's.

[mattster]

...how about people consume less?

Crazy idea, I know, because our economy is reliant on more people consuming more stuff.

We need to consume less - no argument from me. But currently we probably use more equivalent kwh from gas than electricity in our homes, so if we are going to shift to all electric for everything (which we must) then there's no getting away from the fact that our grid infrastructure is going to need a serious overhaul - and that's probably before we even start thinking about charging our cars as well.

[ladymuck]

What if...

Humans are simply doing what they've evolved to do? Just because we're consciously aware of our behaviour doesn't mean we're not destined to destroy. When we've all but wiped ourselves out, the planet will recover and a new dominant life form will arise. All lifeforms live to the limits afforded them by their environment - our environment just happens to be a bit bigger. You're all just delaying the inevitable cycle of life and death of a species.

[vetran]

Do they? If they saw Slough, maybe even the most ardent fan of coming to Engerland would change their mind

I never suggested they wanted move to the UK that is only a few hundred million in the world who want to do that, the rest want to move to the USA. So few want to move to France or Poland for some reason? No accounting for taste.

But the new rich want to live the good life, that costs the world's resources more than a subsistence existence.