Reply to: Halleluiah its raining them

[hobnob]

It does? They all sound the same to me but the derogatory terms for the other sex seems to be the common theme.

There are certainly counter-examples, e.g.:
Doc Brown - Real Balls - YouTube
At the start, it seems like stereotypical posturing, but then it goes in a different direction.

As for cover versions in general, I think it's fine for a new version to be different. Arguably there's not much point in having newly recorded music that's indistinguishable from the original. (It's a bit different for live performances.) An interesting example is the "Year 3000" song. The original version by Busted had this lyric: "And your great-great-great-granddaughter is pretty fine". The cover version by the Jonas Brothers just changed one word: "... is doing fine". I thought that was quite well handled - it's a subtle change, and it still fits in with the existing tune, but it changes the emphasis from "Fwoar, yeah, I'd give her one!" to "Hey, good news, your family has prospered".

[SueEllen]

It does? They all sound the same to me but the derogatory terms for the other sex seems to be the common theme.

You know when you state "it all sounds the same"?

It means you are an

[northernladuk]

Doesn't it depend on what hiphop/rap/RnB artists you are listening to?

It does? They all sound the same to me but the derogatory terms for the other sex seems to be the common theme.

[Gibbon]

Ah, well, you see, that's music made by a protected minority. So above criticism by anyone not part of that minority.

You are right on there northern 'bro'. Some of the lyrics are right out of the incel songbook. Trouble is there is a significant minority of that culture's males that treat women like that.

I was on Desenzano railway station one time (Lake Garda) and this African male had gone into the WCs and came out followed by a incandescent African female. Basically he had tulip on the floor and walked out. She was saying to him 'what would your mother think of this?' he just replied 'its your job bitch' and threatened to hit her. They were speaking English, probably thinking every else was Italian. They he went into a tirade about it was demeaning to clean toilets, and she replied in one of the most dignified responses I ever heard that at least she had a job and didn't steal and sell drugs to make a living. I was ready to twat him ( I would have lost heavily) but my wife pulled me back. So instead I went and gave her 20 euros and thanked her for cleaning the toilets so well. She was visibly embarrassed but accepted graciously.

In my wife's experience in social care the West Indian females are some of the best workers, the males the complete opposite.

[SueEllen]

The world has gone ******* mad.

Is hiphop/rap/RnB whatever ever gonna get a woke makeover as they appear objectify women more than any other genre... or is 'bitches' and 'hoes' considered gender inclusive?

Doesn't it depend on what hiphop/rap/RnB artists you are listening to?

[NotAllThere]

The world has gone ******* mad.

Is hiphop/rap/RnB whatever ever gonna get a woke makeover as they appear objectify women more than any other genre... or is 'bitches' and 'hoes' considered gender inclusive?

Ah, well, you see, that's music made by a protected minority. So above criticism by anyone not part of that minority.

[ladymuck]

The world has gone ******* mad.

Is hiphop/rap/RnB whatever ever gonna get a woke makeover as they appear objectify women more than any other genre... or is 'bitches' and 'hoes' considered gender inclusive?

Considering how much of a whiny bitch you can be, I'd say it's highly gender inclusive

[vetran]

The world has gone ******* mad.

KUATB

[northernladuk]

The world has gone ******* mad.

Is hiphop/rap/RnB whatever ever gonna get a woke makeover as they appear objectify women more than any other genre... or is 'bitches' and 'hoes' considered gender inclusive?

[Whorty]

I don't think we can call someone who preys on young vulnerable women "woke".

Good point

[d000hg]

I fully expect to be called woke and a white knight, but FFS there are some bigotted comments in this thread!

I don't think we can call someone who preys on young vulnerable women "woke".

[d000hg]

What's really annoying is when it's applied to people who can actually sing. I couldn't watch The Greatest Showman. Completely ruined by autotune.

You might 'enjoy' this then:

[NotAllThere]

Ugh. Autotuning? Definitely not going to listen to it.

What's really annoying is when it's applied to people who can actually sing. I couldn't watch The Greatest Showman. Completely ruined by autotune.

[ladymuck]

Ugh. Autotuning? Definitely not going to listen to it.

[NotAllThere]

But mostly bemusement.