Reply to: #StarmerOut

[d000hg]

WTF.

The democrats eg Biden and Pelosi took the knee to win the Black US vote.

Did Starmer forget he is in the UK, Blacks in the UK are not being murdered on the regular by police in the UK.

Racism is still rife here though and that's what the knee thing is about. Loads of sports teams have been doing it in the UK, for instance (and in some cases getting booed for it).

[vetran]

Let us hope this doesn't get any traction.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-movement.html

They still don’t get it! Diane Abbott says Keir Starmer must start campaigning to bring back EU free movement rules as part of a 'winning strategy' after string of losses in Brexit-backing former heartlands

• The hard Left former shadow home secretary had plenty of advice for leader
• Comments came after labour was mauled in Leave-backing former heartlands
• Hartlepool, which voted 69.5% for Leave in 2016, went Tory, as did Dudley

That would have helped with Hartlepool!

[NigelJK]

Given that at least two of the larger Unions have pulled their funding of the party, isn't it about time that they split into a neo-communist party and neo-liberal party. That would show just how much left wing nonsense is unworkable/un-votable?

[minestrone]

Who is "they" though? A large proportion of the activist Labour Party think Starmer is miles too right wing for them, despite Corbyn's obviously woeful popularity ratings among voters at large.

I think they just compromised, assuming that they could force him into radical stuff later.

[OwlHoot]

I think they are mad expecting any advance in their fortunes at this time. Like sacking a new football manager after 4 games because of a few boos from the crowd.

They should stick with him, his brand of dull managerial stuff will do OK in a GE. Esp in more normal times. And he is the best they have got. Still wont win though as Boris is too popular a figure

Who is "they" though? A large proportion of the activist Labour Party think Starmer is miles too right wing for them, despite Corbyn's obviously woeful popularity ratings among voters at large.

[Fraidycat]

Kneel before the Tory leader!

WTF.

The democrats eg Biden and Pelosi took the knee to win the Black US vote.

Did Starmer forget he is in the UK, Blacks in the UK are not being murdered on the regular by police in the UK.

[vetran]

well we know he was hard at least 8 times. Do you think this is Boris junior/

[_V_]

Nah they need a fat Northern woman who is harder than Boris Johnson.

[SueEllen]

They need somebody with a bit of a character!

Some blonde twat from Eton should do

Nah they need a Northern woman who is younger than Boris Johnson.

[AtW]

I've got nothing against Starmer, but he needs to recognise the apathy he's been greeted with. Time to find a new leader...
Count Binface might be free at the moment?

They need somebody with a bit of a character!

Some blonde twat from Eton should do

[SueEllen]

Disdain and lazy pigeonholing for anyone who doesn't fit their narrow worldview seems to be the standard MO for a lot of Labour supporters, certainly if the Guardian comments section is anything to go by. It's bizarre because they're supposed to be the party of equality and not judging others but they're the worst of the bunch, in my experience. At least the Tories manage to disguise their disdain much of the time (apart from Rees-Mogg, obvs).

And I speak as someone whose own views are quite close to Labour's claimed values. Sadly, in practice the party itself seems intent on eating itself from within and making enemies of not only its traditional core but others who might align with its values. Getting rid of Keir Starmer would just be consigning themselves to another 5-10 years in the wilderness like some mad old hermit, shouting at people as they pass by but being roundly ignored as a nutter.

The Guardian comments section is amusing.

If sufficient numbers of commenters logically pull apart a comment piece the piece gets closed for new comments. I think the quickest time it happened was 30 minutes.

[TheGreenBastard]

I think the woke, SJW image of the left is more a triumph of right wing PR than any particular reflection of the Labour party. I'm certainly not denying that there is some craziness on the left, but the truth is that I hear an awful lot more about it from people on the right, and the anti-woke brigade (Piers Morgan) than I do from the wokesters themselves. There's crazies on both sides of the political spectrum of course, and always has been. At least with the woke left you could argue that much of it is well meant, if a little bonkers - you can't say that with the right.

[Snooky]

disdain for the common man

Disdain and lazy pigeonholing for anyone who doesn't fit their narrow worldview seems to be the standard MO for a lot of Labour supporters, certainly if the Guardian comments section is anything to go by. It's bizarre because they're supposed to be the party of equality and not judging others but they're the worst of the bunch, in my experience. At least the Tories manage to disguise their disdain much of the time (apart from Rees-Mogg, obvs).

And I speak as someone whose own views are quite close to Labour's claimed values. Sadly, in practice the party itself seems intent on eating itself from within and making enemies of not only its traditional core but others who might align with its values. Getting rid of Keir Starmer would just be consigning themselves to another 5-10 years in the wilderness like some mad old hermit, shouting at people as they pass by but being roundly ignored as a nutter.

[malvolio]

I think the woke, SJW image of the left is more a triumph of right wing PR than any particular reflection of the Labour party. I'm certainly not denying that there is some craziness on the left, but the truth is that I hear an awful lot more about it from people on the right, and the anti-woke brigade (Piers Morgan) than I do from the wokesters themselves. There's crazies on both sides of the political spectrum of course, and always has been. At least with the woke left you could argue that much of it is well meant, if a little bonkers - you can't say that with the right.

I dunno. Have you listened to the other Piers, Corbyn's brother, or read some of the frankly terrifying views of the keyboard warriors who just hate Tories - the ones from the late 1900s, not the current crew that is - and who think Labour is about the working class.

Glastonbury is just up the road from me. A fair number of them need to be sectioned!

[mattster]

I think the woke, SJW image of the left is more a triumph of right wing PR than any particular reflection of the Labour party. I'm certainly not denying that there is some craziness on the left, but the truth is that I hear an awful lot more about it from people on the right, and the anti-woke brigade (Piers Morgan) than I do from the wokesters themselves. There's crazies on both sides of the political spectrum of course, and always has been. At least with the woke left you could argue that much of it is well meant, if a little bonkers - you can't say that with the right.