2 contracts concurrently one perm and one inside

[edison]

This is fine to do, as long as you are smart about it.

Last month end client binned a contractor for very obviously running two roles. Wouldn't respond for hours, disappeared, didn't do any work.

If your permie job paymaster is happy that you complete work allocated and you find it easy, there is no issue with you taking on another role. An inside contract is perfect for this. You won't find any clause for hours worked enforced, which by the way is one of the silliest things I've ever read on this forum. Gain evidence you're pleasing your permie employer and maintain this. If you're stupid, do not run two roles at the same time, because you're stupid and will eventually get caught. Getting banned from this forum or from a niche client might be ok, but HR records exist across large companies and definitely across public sector departments. Notes on any clearances exist.

Your priority permie employer sounds fine with your work, so a second role with the same attitude is fine and can be dropped, adhering to notice periods, if that situation changes.

I agree with others about the permetractor comments here regarding owing an employer 40 hours a week. Take life as it is, not as it is written to be. I have never once seen any isolated working clause enforced for anything except executive roles with serious conflict of interest, which I'm sure Edison can comment on.

I once had a clause in an interim role's draft contract that gave the agency the right to inspect my business premises and records for compliance checks, effectively with no notice. My contract lawyer got that one scrubbed, but other than that, I can't think of that many onerous clauses in the interim roles I've had.

Conflict of interest clauses are quite common but it's probably non-compete clauses that are more prevalent. The government is currently running a consultation on post-contract non-compete clauses - "There is currently no provision in the UK employment statutory framework for non-compete clauses. Under current common law, there are very few constraints on the use of non-compete clauses in employment contracts and our estimates suggest that they are widely used across the labour market, with around 5 million employees subject to a non-compete clause in Great Britain and a typical duration of around 6 months."

[JustKeepSwimming]

I have never once seen any isolated working clause enforced for anything except executive roles with serious conflict of interest, which I'm sure Edison can comment on.

It's never worth pursuing really, just get rid and move on. In reality most of the terms around them are unenforceable. Courts as a point of public policy do not look kindly on 'restraint of trade'.

[agentzero]

This is fine to do, as long as you are smart about it.

Last month end client binned a contractor for very obviously running two roles. Wouldn't respond for hours, disappeared, didn't do any work.

If your permie job paymaster is happy that you complete work allocated and you find it easy, there is no issue with you taking on another role. An inside contract is perfect for this. You won't find any clause for hours worked enforced, which by the way is one of the silliest things I've ever read on this forum. Gain evidence you're pleasing your permie employer and maintain this. If you're stupid, do not run two roles at the same time, because you're stupid and will eventually get caught. Getting banned from this forum or from a niche client might be ok, but HR records exist across large companies and definitely across public sector departments. Notes on any clearances exist.

Your priority permie employer sounds fine with your work, so a second role with the same attitude is fine and can be dropped, adhering to notice periods, if that situation changes.

I agree with others about the permetractor comments here regarding owing an employer 40 hours a week. Take life as it is, not as it is written to be. I have never once seen any isolated working clause enforced for anything except executive roles with serious conflict of interest, which I'm sure Edison can comment on.

[malvolio]

If he just said 'probably against contracts, there is a risk' that would be fine, although not actual answering OP's question. That isn't what he posts though.

He lectures about the sanctity of contract at the same time as telling people to suck it up when the client/agent/employer screws them over.

Actually he follows much the same line as I've been advocating since forever - be smart enough to realise when the fight is not worth taking on and when a business risk could cost you a lot more than what you're going to earn from it.

Elegant use of English could be improved though. For example, "self sufficient in the art of love" rather than " ".

However this is not the forum for this discussion.

[JustKeepSwimming]

It’s more a case of checking contracts. At least one of those will probably stipulate that you can’t work for others at the same time.

If the OP knows the risks and accepts the consequences of breaking said contract, it’s not our business how he goes about his life.

At least he can’t say that no one told him.

If he just said 'probably against contracts, there is a risk' that would be fine, although not actual answering OP's question. That isn't what he posts though.

He lectures about the sanctity of contract at the same time as telling people to suck it up when the client/agent/employer screws them over.

[ladymuck]

Have you checked your perm contract to see if you can do extra work? They maybe flexible but they will still expect 40 hours a week from you. The inside gig will expect the same. How you are you going to shuffle 80 hours a week in to a normal day? Answer is you can't. You'll be working on the perm companies time without out a doubt. Doesn't matter how flexible they are you will have meetings and priorities clashes. Neither will be happy you are working for the other if you told them so don't do it.

That answer has nothing to do with the question.

[TheDude]

I run three concurrent contracts - one of which I work on during bathroom breaks.

[NotAllThere]

Cool story, Boomer.

You are the most hypocritical user on this site. Constantly berate people about not being 'business' enough to be contracting and then begging for your employer to tell you how high when they say jump. You are a permatractor no matter how much you wish to deny it.

He's not a boomer. He's younger than that.

And you need to lay off the personal attacks in the professional forums, or you'll get some time off.

[cojak]

Cool story, Boomer.

You are the most hypocritical user on this site. Constantly berate people about not being 'business' enough to be contracting and then begging for your employer to tell you how high when they say jump. You are a permatractor no matter how much you wish to deny it.

It’s more a case of checking contracts. At least one of those will probably stipulate that you can’t work for others at the same time.

If the OP knows the risks and accepts the consequences of breaking said contract, it’s not our business how he goes about his life.

At least he can’t say that no one told him.

[JustKeepSwimming]

Have you checked your perm contract to see if you can do extra work? They maybe flexible but they will still expect 40 hours a week from you. The inside gig will expect the same. How you are you going to shuffle 80 hours a week in to a normal day? Answer is you can't. You'll be working on the perm companies time without out a doubt. Doesn't matter how flexible they are you will have meetings and priorities clashes. Neither will be happy you are working for the other if you told them so don't do it.

Cool story, Boomer.

You are the most hypocritical user on this site. Constantly berate people about not being 'business' enough to be contracting and then begging for your employer to tell you how high when they say jump. You are a permatractor no matter how much you wish to deny it.

[northernladuk]

Have you checked your perm contract to see if you can do extra work? They maybe flexible but they will still expect 40 hours a week from you. The inside gig will expect the same. How you are you going to shuffle 80 hours a week in to a normal day? Answer is you can't. You'll be working on the perm companies time without out a doubt. Doesn't matter how flexible they are you will have meetings and priorities clashes. Neither will be happy you are working for the other if you told them so don't do it.

[hobnob]

Bear in mind that the tax code only affects your weekly/monthly payments. At the end of the financial year, HMRC will work out your total income and therefore the total tax that's due; you'll then either get a rebate or have to pay them the excess.

You can do the same calculation as HMRC, to predict how much tax you'll pay. (I use Excel for that.) Obviously that will depend on how many days you do for the current contract.

[JustKeepSwimming]

Perm role is your primary job, put your tax allowance on that.

Contract is your second job, pay at marginal rate.

Never ceases to amaze me that there are people earning 6 figures who can't roughly work out their taxes.

[SueEllen]

And?

What is your question?

[ChristyP]

So here is my scenario. I am working 2 roles from home right now, one is paying 65k and is permanent, its very laid back and they allow me to work flexible hours anytime I want as long as the work is complete they are ok. The other contract is 400 per day and is through an umbrella. Which of these should I be classing as my first role to HMRC and how much tax am I likely to pay. The first job isn't taxing and I can easily run it alongside the other role without clashes in meetings etc.