Working for HMRC

[SimonMac]

I've worked there in a DDAT role, what it's like depends on the site and what the role is, it's a big place so expereinces will differ

[BigLadFromBeeston666]

The digital space at HMRC is arguably the most mature of all the Government departments. It has a large community, each tailored to your digital profession / discipline.

The people saying it is wrong that they have Outside IR35 roles, and asking for job descriptions, are beyond clueless.

In my humble opinion, an Outside gig at HMRC is watertight. You just need to do your due diligence with the pimp who is putting you in, as they are not all created equal.

[northernladuk]

It just feels wrong on every level, lead by example. I'd love to see the JD for that role, anybody care to share?

Well it won't have a JD for the role because it's not a job is it. It's a contract for services. I think it's your perception that is the problem here. HMRC make rules that they also must abide by and if they do then everything is fine. Just because it's HMRC, and there are a lot of different areas of HMRC, not just IR35, doesn't mean it's impossible to be outside.

[virtualm]

Why? HMRC put the rules in place. If they have a gig that meets those rules then it can be outside. How can it contradict everything?

It just feels wrong on every level, lead by example. I'd love to see the JD for that role, anybody care to share?

[northernladuk]

Can somebody explain how a HMRC gig can be outside IR35, doesn't that contradict everything!

Why? HMRC put the rules in place. If they have a gig that meets those rules then it can be outside. How can it contradict everything?

[virtualm]

Can somebody explain how a HMRC gig can be outside IR35, doesn't that contradict everything!

[TheDude]

have you seen an SDS or are you relying on the agency's opinion?

Irrelevant now - the agency have offered a lower rate than discussed so I have run away.

[Lance]

Work is outside and rate is £50 per day less than my current inside role.

have you seen an SDS or are you relying on the agency's opinion?

[northernladuk]

Gov sector work isn't for everyone. You see how HMRC are so crap at everything they do at our side of the fence so you can't believe it's all plain sailing at the other. It takes effort to build systems and processes that are this crap. Won't be much different that most PS roles though I'd expect. If you want to bang tables, get things done, save failing projects etc you are gonna hate it. If you don't mind dealing with all the beauacracy, endless reviews, changes in leadership, slow delivery etc it won't be bad.
Like any gig though, depends what team you get in to. Could have an absolute mare if you have some power hungry senior leaders just waving their tails or could get a belter with a nice close knit friendly group. Had both at the same PS client so there is no one answer fits all.

[PerfectStorm]

I got a call about an HMRC Outside role the other day - both I and the recruiter had a good laugh about it.

And a few calls from themselves offering Inside work - to which I gleefully said no thank you (then wondered if that was a trap).

[cojak]

Well, they probably don’t . But I think it’s fair to say that they won’t be pursuing it.

It’s the only place with a safe Outside contract.

[jamesbrown]

but HMRC will know whether it really is inside or outside.

Well, they probably don’t . But I think it’s fair to say that they won’t be pursuing it.

[TheDude]

The people I know there are happy.

Equal Experts are the people who I know of (although it's hard to work out if they are an agency or a consultancy). Work is probably inside nowadays but HMRC will know whether it really is inside or outside.

Work is outside and rate is £50 per day less than my current inside role.

[eek]

Hi,

Does anyone have any feedback of working for HMRC in technology?

I have done a quick forum search on HMRC however as you can imagine there is a lot of noise!

Cheers.

The people I know there are happy.

Equal Experts are the people who I know of (although it's hard to work out if they are an agency or a consultancy). Work is probably inside nowadays but HMRC will know whether it really is inside or outside.

[TheDude]

Hi,

Does anyone have any feedback of working for HMRC in technology?

I have done a quick forum search on HMRC however as you can imagine there is a lot of noise!

Cheers.