Reply to: Anyone working "inside" and tried asking for employee stuff yet?

[LondonManc]

Couldn't be bothered reading the rest of the thread but you're inside for tax purposes only and if you're via a brolly, you're an employee of them, not the client.
If you want better conditions, ask for a better day rate to compensate for the tax and expenses shafting you're having to take. You're still a contractor at the end of it all, not a true employee of anyone else.

[ComplianceLady]

Pay parity is the obvious claim to make but that requires not being opted out of agency regulations - and a lot of umbrellas will force you to be opted out as part of their T&Cs.

Usually because their access to the agency's PSC require that clause alongside the 60% or £x0,000 kick backs.

Why would you need to be not opted out? AWR can't be opted out of and applies to anyone with worker status (which includes umbrella workers opted in or out of CR)

[eek]

No idea but I am sure someone will try.

Pay parity is the obvious claim to make but that requires not being opted out of agency regulations - and a lot of umbrellas will force you to be opted out as part of their T&Cs.

Usually because their access to the agency's PSC require that clause alongside the 60% or £x0,000 kick backs.

[SussexSeagull]

How - if you are working via an umbrella company our umbrella company is your employer.

No idea but I am sure someone will try.

[AnthonyQuinn]

Annual leave, flexi leave, sick pay, pension, share schemes, etc?
If so, how did it go?

The client is not your employer. Your umbrella company, or your own limited company, is your employer. You should ask them. The client is paying them inclusive of all the stuff u have asked for.

[eek]

As previously stated inside as we stand now inside is purely a taxation category as opposed to an employment status one. However one day someone will test it in court.

How - if you are working via an umbrella company your umbrella company is your employer.

[SussexSeagull]

As previously stated inside as we stand now inside is purely a taxation category as opposed to an employment status one. However one day someone will test it in court.

[SueEllen]

Annual leave, flexi leave, sick pay, pension, share schemes, etc?
If so, how did it go?

What do you mean by flexi leave?

The majority of the companies I've supplied services to and even worked for offer some sort of flexible working arrangements. Only because if they don't they know that if they ever require you to start early, work late or work on the weekend you will tell them where to go.

[mallisarealperson]

I think the original poster on this thread was just joking.

But to be pedantic doesn't every job/role/position have some sort of contract? Even Permie. Written or implied in law.

Not going to get you childcare vouchers or pizza tuesday though

[northernladuk]

It would obviously be in your contract. eg The worker is entitled to 15 days fully paid off during this (six month) contract.

This could be something you could try on and ask for at renewal on top of your already high rate.

Extra gravy for you without breaking the clients existing budget.

You do realise that no client is going to put all these extra processes in just for a temporary supplier resource don't you. If someone is pushing all this then just bin them and get the next person in that is quite happy to work under the existing terms.

All this stuff you are sprouting is just fanciful.

[Lance]

It would obviously be in your contract. eg The worker is entitled to 15 days fully paid off during this (six month) contract.

This could be something you could try on and ask for at renewal on top of your already high rate.

Extra gravy for you without breaking the clients existing budget.

you mean like a fixed term contract?

[Fraidycat]

And if the hiring manager refuses to sign those? What then? You gonna refuse to do any more days off?

This is a really dumb idea when a better method already exists. It's called a higher day rate than the permies.

It would obviously be in your contract. eg The worker is entitled to 15 days fully paid off during this (six month) contract.

This could be something you could try on and ask for at renewal on top of your already high rate.

Extra gravy for you without breaking the clients existing budget.

[Lance]

You have to have a new section on the timesheet called 'paid days off'

And if the hiring manager refuses to sign those? What then? You gonna refuse to do any more days off?

This is a really dumb idea when a better method already exists. It's called a higher day rate than the permies.

[d000hg]

Why is everyone assuming the OP is going via an umbrella?

[Fraidycat]

Why would a client pay it's suppliers leave and sick pay? What if they just turn round and say they believe any leave, sick or hols are included in the rate, take it or leave it?

Some times a client is constrained by budget, so you can attempt to negotiate on other things. They might agree if they cant get a budget increase but they really want to keep you.