Reply to: Running back to permie land

[sira]

At one company where I was permanent, prior to doing an organisational restructure, they asked us to log in our daily activities in "15-minutes blocks".

Every time I had to go to the loo and take a sh1te I logged it in under the "personal development" category

The bog is where people come up with some of their best ideas. Like plotting their resignation

[PCTNN]

That's not so bad! Ours is reviewed weekly. Might start logging my piss breaks

At one company where I was permanent, prior to doing an organisational restructure, they asked us to log in our daily activities in "15-minutes blocks".

Every time I had to go to the loo and take a sh1te I logged it in under the "personal development" category

[sira]

I've experienced most of those negative things you list, but not all in the same role. Sounds like a nightmare company to work for. That is so rubbish, I'd run for the hills as well if I was in your situation. Would you care sharing what sector this company is in?

I accepted a permie role for one of the companies I had already worked for, so at least I know what I'm going to find. It's actually the only company I've always said I would ever consider going back to

Large company in Banking/FS. I reckon smaller companies would be good for permie roles, but the big ones treat employees very badly.

We have also been asked to log our time on a spreadsheet. Request arrives the middle of the month so for two weeks we have to guess what we will spend each hour of the day doing.

Spreadsheet is distilled into a cell on a powerpoint pack and probably ignored.

Got to love being perm!

That's not so bad! Ours is reviewed weekly. Might start logging my piss breaks

[coolhandluke]

Not really the salary as I'm aware salaries are depressed everywhere at the moment.

I wouldnt really describe it as mindset but moreso the rubbish that comes along with it, such as:
- very poor working practices
- monthly probation meetings / weekly one-to-ones
- heavy surveillance
- micro-management
- politics
- game playing
- a4se licking
- my current firm is a large one and they're making us log our daily acitivties
- 3 month notice period (after probation)
- everyones been told no bonus for minimum 3 years

Covid has eroded working practices too, so its a total living nightmare. You know its bad when you'd rather be unemployed during a pandemic or on the dole!

Unrelated to question but at my firm there are staff who have covid and theyre still being made to work whilst their managers laugh it off. Utterly dispicable stuff. Has to be some kinda criminal offence...no humanity left. The corporate world was already bad but covid has turbo-charged it into a whole new monster.

We have also been asked to log our time on a spreadsheet. Request arrives the middle of the month so for two weeks we have to guess what we will spend each hour of the day doing.

Spreadsheet is distilled into a cell on a powerpoint pack and probably ignored.

Got to love being perm!

[PCTNN]

Not really the salary as I'm aware salaries are depressed everywhere at the moment.

I wouldnt really describe it as mindset but moreso the rubbish that comes along with it, such as:
- very poor working practices
- monthly probation meetings / weekly one-to-ones
- heavy surveillance
- micro-management
- politics
- game playing
- a4se licking
- my current firm is a large one and they're making us log our daily acitivties
- 3 month notice period (after probation)
- everyones been told no bonus for minimum 3 years

Covid has eroded working practices too, so its a total living nightmare. You know its bad when you'd rather be unemployed during a pandemic or on the dole!

Unrelated to question but at my firm there are staff who have covid and theyre still being made to work whilst their managers laugh it off. Utterly dispicable stuff. Has to be some kinda criminal offence...no humanity left. The corporate world was already bad but covid has turbo-charged it into a whole new monster.

I've experienced most of those negative things you list, but not all in the same role. Sounds like a nightmare company to work for. That is so rubbish, I'd run for the hills as well if I was in your situation. Would you care sharing what sector this company is in?

I accepted a permie role for one of the companies I had already worked for, so at least I know what I'm going to find. It's actually the only company I've always said I would ever consider going back to

[Lance]

Cool story bro.

2:30 AM???

You shat the bed?

[northernladuk]

I would take all of that (including the a4se licking ) for £650 a day out side ir35, but no way for a perm role (especially one with no bonus)

Cool story bro.

[Fraidycat]

- very poor working practices
- monthly probation meetings / weekly one-to-ones
- heavy surveillance
- micro-management
- politics
- game playing
- a4se licking
- my current firm is a large one and they're making us log our daily acitivties
- 3 month notice period (after probation)
- everyones been told no bonus for minimum 3 years
staff who have covid and theyre still being made to work whilst their managers laugh it off.

I would take all of that (including the a4se licking ) for £650 a day out side ir35, but no way for a perm role (especially one with no bonus)

[sira]

Is it the salary or mindset that is making you quit?

Not really the salary as I'm aware salaries are depressed everywhere at the moment.

I wouldnt really describe it as mindset but moreso the rubbish that comes along with it, such as:
- very poor working practices
- monthly probation meetings / weekly one-to-ones
- heavy surveillance
- micro-management
- politics
- game playing
- a4se licking
- my current firm is a large one and they're making us log our daily acitivties
- 3 month notice period (after probation)
- everyones been told no bonus for minimum 3 years

Covid has eroded working practices too, so its a total living nightmare. You know its bad when you'd rather be unemployed during a pandemic or on the dole!

Unrelated to question but at my firm there are staff who have covid and theyre still being made to work whilst their managers laugh it off. Utterly dispicable stuff. Has to be some kinda criminal offence...no humanity left. The corporate world was already bad but covid has turbo-charged it into a whole new monster.

[BigDataPro]

I'm 4 months into a Permie role. I'm quitting soon and running for the hills.

Is it the salary or mindset that is making you quit?

[sira]

I'm 4 months into a Permie role. I'm quitting soon and running for the hills.

[rocktronAMP]

I'm about to take the plunge and make a similar move to the OP.

After 2 years of contracting, that's me done and ready to head back to permie land.

2020 has been incredibly stressful, with a contract I didn't enjoy in the slightest, at a majorly disappointing client, seeing most of the contractors in my team, one by one either not getting renewed or being treated poorly and basically forced to quit, just to be replaced by incompetent junior permies.

I started a new contract this week, £300 a day inside ir35. I was making exactly double that amount 12 months ago, but that's what the very few available contract roles for my skillset pay nowadays.

Got offered a permie role for 50k a year, 10% bonus, 10% pension contributions, all the other usual benefits, totally remote now and then 4 days a week remote with the office 30 minutes away by car when things go back to "normal". The money is more than enough, the work is interesting enough, and the job is cushy enough for me to be able to focus more on the things that really matters (my family and my hobbies).

Maybe in 5-10 years I'll switch again.

Hey man, PTCNN

I wish you the very best of luck.

[PCTNN]

I'm about to take the plunge and make a similar move to the OP.

After 2 years of contracting, that's me done and ready to head back to permie land.

2020 has been incredibly stressful, with a contract I didn't enjoy in the slightest, at a majorly disappointing client, seeing most of the contractors in my team, one by one either not getting renewed or being treated poorly and basically forced to quit, just to be replaced by incompetent junior permies.

I started a new contract this week, £300 a day inside ir35. I was making exactly double that amount 12 months ago, but that's what the very few available contract roles for my skillset pay nowadays.

Got offered a permie role for 50k a year, 10% bonus, 10% pension contributions, all the other usual benefits, totally remote now and then 4 days a week remote with the office 30 minutes away by car when things go back to "normal". The money is more than enough, the work is interesting enough, and the job is cushy enough for me to be able to focus more on the things that really matters (my family and my hobbies).

Maybe in 5-10 years I'll switch again.

[Paralytic]

Can't see that working well....

Job titles are pretty much meaningless when moving from one company/sector to another. The OP is probably doing 80% the same work in the new role, just with a different job title.

I agree with others that £300 p/d to £60K + benefits is probably a good move at this time.

[Whorty]

Have a

£60k perm in this environment is not to be sniffed at. In a few years time you may choose to go back contracting on a higher day rate, or not, but it's easier to make those decisions from a position of power