Reply to: State of the Market

[CheeseSlice]

Does anyone actually use the job boards with success?

I think I only once got a gig by applying for it via JS.
The rest are a result of having my CV on a number of database and getting calls, occasionally via contacts or repeat customer.

I would say the job emails are the most useless and are effectively spam. Its fun to read the ads from low balling high-expectations chancers though

[Bluenose]

No idea, I could ask but the person answering would just read the next line off their script.

At the minute (and it changes month to month) many of the 'Jabbappatunity' calls, the end client is CapGemini onsite at various clients of theirs.

[SueEllen]

When was this? I did a stint there as a designer for about 9 months.

Different projects, different people.

[ensignia]

I got what turned out to be my worst professional experience through a job board.

The job board was jobserve, the agency was AMS, the end client was Natwest.

When was this? I did a stint there as a designer for about 9 months.

[PCTNN]

Does anyone actually use the job boards with success?

I got what turned out to be my worst professional experience through a job board.

The job board was jobserve, the agency was AMS, the end client was Natwest.

More than me finding contracts it's more often been a case of contracts finding me. I get regular messages on LinkedIn from recruitment agencies to which I reply whenever I'm looking for a new role and ignore otherwise.

[hungry_hog]

Does anyone actually use the job boards with success?

I think the last time I had a job through them was 2014.

Since then:
2017 one job through friend (University) client X
2019 one through previous client
2019 back to client X
2021 another one through another University friend
2021 via LinkedIn

In 2018 I was out of contract for about three months and hammered the boards. All I got was phone calls from chancers and dead ends.

The worst one is one called e f*******l careers. Looking at that you would think there are thousands of contracts at each client. It's mostly made up or old data.

[KentDogWalker]

Back on the boards and finding things a little slow. No end of calls about "Job opportunities" from "IT Solutions Tech Sys Info Solutions Tech Systems", though.

frontend board CW jobs pretty dry atm

[Paralytic]

But my point - and I think everyone here knows this - is that mitigating that risk, while remaining outside of IR35, is free, if you choose to do so.

Make your roles Outside in contract and in reality, and you'll get better candidates for the same money. Who wouldn't want to do that

I completely disagree - any client who think it is "free" to ensure a contract starts, and remains, outside, is very naive. The entity that owns the risk (the organisation) is not the same as (and often very far removed from) those who are most likely to cause things to go awry (the local manager who is working with the contractor). This is the very reasons the banks did blanket bans on PSCs - because the corporate side the business could not trust the local managers to ensure working practices stayed outside.

[eek]

But my point - and I think everyone here knows this - is that mitigating that risk, while remaining outside of IR35, is free, if you choose to do so.

Make your roles Outside in contract and in reality, and you'll get better candidates for the same money. Who wouldn't want to do that

Anyone here who thinks a contract could be outside doesn’t understand how risk adverse large clients are and how good HMRC’s campaign to scare end clients has been.

[bballer3221]

But my point - and I think everyone here knows this - is that mitigating that risk, while remaining outside of IR35, is free, if you choose to do so.

Make your roles Outside in contract and in reality, and you'll get better candidates for the same money. Who wouldn't want to do that

Bit of wishful thinking that it's just that simple to change it from INSIDE to OUTSIDE...
It's not you who is responsible for paying that, right?
Also if it's OUTSIDE role they may as well cut the comp by 20-25%.

BOE says recession next year, along with the tech bubble bursting, they'll soon be reducing that rate and getting multiple candidates OR maybe axing the position as more people are forced into office to produce stuff instead of chill at home.

[PerfectStorm]

For the client, it's not necessarily about the cost, its about the risk.

But my point - and I think everyone here knows this - is that mitigating that risk, while remaining outside of IR35, is free, if you choose to do so.

Make your roles Outside in contract and in reality, and you'll get better candidates for the same money. Who wouldn't want to do that

[Paralytic]

"You know they could make it Outside for free and get better candidates, right?"

For the client, it's not necessarily about the cost, its about the risk.

[hungry_hog]

Are they with 'prestigious clients'?

they must be with "top tier" Banks. It's never a "second tier" bank, or an "averagely awful" retail Bank.
RBS must be so pleased to be classed with the likes of Rothschild and Lazard.

[PerfectStorm]

A rather worrying number of potential clients offering inside roles on outside day rates.

"Can you get your client to move up from that?" say I

Besuited agent: "No, that's their budget"

"You know they could make it Outside for free and get better candidates, right?"

Besuited agent: 👁 👄 👁

[PerfectStorm]

Are they with 'prestigious clients'?

No idea, I could ask but the person answering would just read the next line off their script.