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Previously on "State of the Market"

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  • Lance
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    Originally posted by Bluenose View Post

    the one main fly in the oitment is the possible invasion of ukraine crashing the equities markets and the short mini-freeze on recruitment that will result.

    i would'nt touch a ir35 role myself but i dont have to pay your bills
    make sure you have defence companies in your diversified portfolio.

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  • eek
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    Originally posted by Bluenose View Post

    the one main fly in the oitment is the possible invasion of ukraine crashing the equities markets and the short mini-freeze on recruitment that will result.

    i would'nt touch a ir35 role myself but i dont have to pay your bills
    Given some of the tricks I’ve seen and heard be pulled I wouldn’t be rushing to take an outside IR35 contract unless I knew all the parties involved.

    there are some nasty tricks being pulled and a clawback t&c is something I would avoid.

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  • Bluenose
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    Originally posted by Destiny2 View Post
    The market is dry in my line of work. My old client has a few openings. When I worked with them, it was inside IR35 but came with a 1 month notice. If I ring up, they will take me back in a heartbeat! Do I take it or do I wait until the market improves?
    the one main fly in the oitment is the possible invasion of ukraine crashing the equities markets and the short mini-freeze on recruitment that will result.

    i would'nt touch a ir35 role myself but i dont have to pay your bills

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  • Destiny2
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    The market is dry in my line of work. My old client has a few openings. When I worked with them, it was inside IR35 but came with a 1 month notice. If I ring up, they will take me back in a heartbeat! Do I take it or do I wait until the market improves?

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  • Bluenose
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    Originally posted by Destiny2 View Post
    Out of curiosity, have you ever contacted a pimp who got you a contract in the past and asked them to let you know if they get new contracts? I have, but either new contracts were not appealing or I never heard from them despite them saying that they will keep an eye out for me.

    I can assure you I give my 200% in every contract and do not leave halfway.
    the problem here, generally speaking of course, is that said pimp usually moves role and/or company and specialises in a different area.

    for example there were plenty of pimps in the devops and cloud space that moved on last year because the contract work dried up.

    many of them moved into internal corporate HR roles.

    would also add that what i do now is very different to what i did 10 years ago (showing my age now) and past pimps cant get me the work i need now but they are fun to keep in touch with.

    in terms of the market there are confirmed stories of being offered contract roles with a single stage interview for 15 minutes and offered same day for outside IR35 roles.

    this is a complete turn around from early 2019, looks like the 3-year contracting bear market has come to an end - for now.
    Last edited by Bluenose; Yesterday, 13:34.

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  • TheDude
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    Originally posted by Destiny2 View Post
    Out of curiosity, have you ever contacted a pimp who got you a contract in the past and asked them to let you know if they get new contracts? I have, but either new contracts were not appealing or I never heard from them despite them saying that they will keep an eye out for me.

    I can assure you I give my 200% in every contract and do not leave halfway.
    No - I have been contacted by the agent who placed me 6 months after starting a role telling me my salary/rate was too low and they could get me something better.

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  • PerfectStorm
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    Originally posted by Destiny2 View Post
    Out of curiosity, have you ever contacted a pimp who got you a contract in the past and asked them to let you know if they get new contracts? I have, but either new contracts were not appealing or I never heard from them despite them saying that they will keep an eye out for me.

    I can assure you I give my 200% in every contract and do not leave halfway.
    Yes, they've never come back to help me afterwards apart from situations where they've literally found me a "follow-on" contract with another client to go after another finishes. But where there's been a gap and I've gone somewhere else, a previous agent has never brought me back in. Not sure that's my best endorsement

    I have however been able to tap up such agents for references.

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  • SussexSeagull
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    Originally posted by SussexSeagull View Post
    To prove that sometimes there is an exception to every rule I have an interview tomorrow for a contract that I first had conversations about at the beginning of December before it got 'paused' so once in a while these things come back to life.
    .....which got cancelled with an hours notice after they filled the role internally.

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  • Destiny2
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    Out of curiosity, have you ever contacted a pimp who got you a contract in the past and asked them to let you know if they get new contracts? I have, but either new contracts were not appealing or I never heard from them despite them saying that they will keep an eye out for me.

    I can assure you I give my 200% in every contract and do not leave halfway.

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  • Bluenose
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    Originally posted by SussexSeagull View Post

    Would have been ten times easier just to say it wasn't happening.
    Power is not given up easily.

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  • SussexSeagull
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    To prove that sometimes there is an exception to every rule I have an interview tomorrow for a contract that I first had conversations about at the beginning of December before it got 'paused' so once in a while these things come back to life.

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  • SussexSeagull
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    Originally posted by BigDataPro View Post

    My thoughts precisely. Like few others here, I have never chased up an agent to know the 'status' of an interview or an application. You can easily smell the likelihood based on events, messages, tone, seriousness, urgency etc., immediately after the interview or even before it
    In fairness the guy said at the end of the interview that it went well and people being off work with a virus isn't uncommon at the moment so this was slightly unusual but generally I agree with you.

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  • SussexSeagull
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    Originally posted by ensignia View Post
    I still don't understand the mindset of people (contractors) chasing up applications or interview feedback.

    No news is bad news. If they want you, you can be damn well sure they'll be trying every method to get in touch. I remember a recruiter sending me a 1st class letter back in Dec 2012 to tell me to get in touch as I had been ignoring their calls
    A few years ago I never heard back from an interview. For some reason the agent either went into the denial that it wasn't happening or just refused to tell me. I actually had another contract lined up so out of morbid curiosity prodded them with an e-mail or two a week for a month and they resolutely refused to confirm it was a dead duck.

    Would have been ten times easier just to say it wasn't happening.

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  • BigDataPro
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    Originally posted by ensignia View Post
    I still don't understand the mindset of people (contractors) chasing up applications or interview feedback.

    No news is bad news. If they want you, you can be damn well sure they'll be trying every method to get in touch. I remember a recruiter sending me a 1st class letter back in Dec 2012 to tell me to get in touch as I had been ignoring their calls
    My thoughts precisely. Like few others here, I have never chased up an agent to know the 'status' of an interview or an application. You can easily smell the likelihood based on events, messages, tone, seriousness, urgency etc., immediately after the interview or even before it

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  • TheDude
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    Originally posted by ensignia View Post
    I still don't understand the mindset of people (contractors) chasing up applications or interview feedback.

    No news is bad news. If they want you, you can be damn well sure they'll be trying every method to get in touch. I remember a recruiter sending me a 1st class letter back in Dec 2012 to tell me to get in touch as I had been ignoring their calls
    After a while you know when you are in the running and when your face doesn't fit.

    I sometimes follow up interviews that I felt went well. Working for banks open headcount comes and goes all the time and I have been approached for a role month after an interview.

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