Client requesting LI profile changes, employee style signature, etc

[Lance]

To be honest, points 2,3,4 &5 sound like you are over-reacting or just not aware/used to how consultancies work.

I’ve worked at end clients where they don’t want me telling some of their staff I am a contractor. And I’ve worked through consultancies who have told me to tell their clients I am a contractor as they would charge me in at 2x the rate of their own staff.

If staying in the same hotel as permies is a big issue for you, you might want to step away from contracting.

I'm still not sure the problem with updating LinkedIn that some people have. My LI profile always has my current client in terms they'd find acceptable. Only when I leave would I change that to represent what I want it to.

LinkedIn is quite a bit more than an advert for your LTD. It's where clients, and their customers find information about who the chuff they're dealing with. If you're working for a consultancy, it's reasonable for them to ask that you represent them in a favourable fashion. Exactly how you do that is down to you.

[Spoiler]

1. They want me to update my LinkedIn profile to say I am working for them along with a provided advertising blurb (this request doesn't bother me too much as I'll find a way to make it clear I'm contracting with them and this the blurb is how they describe their business). They've chased me about it a number of times over just a few days (so I know they're serious).

Ask if they'll reciprocate and add your Ltd as a strategic partner on their LI/website ?!

[WTFH]

1. They want me to update my LinkedIn profile to say I am working for them along with a provided advertising blurb (this request doesn't bother me too much as I'll find a way to make it clear I'm contracting with them and this the blurb is how they describe their business). They've chased me about it a number of times over just a few days (so I know they're serious).

Tell them no, unless its in the contract.

2. They want me to change my email signature to look like one of their employee's (Name - 'Job title' - TheirCo etc).

If you are using their mail system, then it’s their rules.

3. They don't want me to tell the end client that I'm a contractor at any point (!)

Fairly standard with consultancies, but why is it an issue for you? It’s not generally a topic of conversation unless you make it one.

4. We (everyone on the project) are all in the same hotel. They booked it, MyCo paid for it, and they will reimburse (expenses are covered in the contract).

Why is that a problem? You’re getting expenses back, you’re probably getting a good rate, and if it’s a hotel group, you’ll be getting the points on your loyalty card.

5. They've also asked me to fill in some additional end client forms that are very employee-employer (So much so that I've sent them off for IR35 advice).

What forms?

To be honest, points 2,3,4 &5 sound like you are over-reacting or just not aware/used to how consultancies work.

I’ve worked at end clients where they don’t want me telling some of their staff I am a contractor. And I’ve worked through consultancies who have told me to tell their clients I am a contractor as they would charge me in at 2x the rate of their own staff.

If staying in the same hotel as permies is a big issue for you, you might want to step away from contracting.

[NotAllThere]

It's not that odd to me. They don't want their end client to know you are a contractor that they could have just hired themselves. They want to keep the illusion that they have qualified staff on payroll to work on projects.

I worked on a project with Cap Gemini as the consultancy partner. They couldn't get enough good quality developers, so had to take on contractors. They didn't want us to know, but we found out anyway - funny thing was, CG were making a loss on the contractors. (Reducing their profits on the more fluffy and therefore more expensive management and business consultants).

[Fred Bloggs]

Simples. Just make another LinkedIn profile for that gig. Then delete it when you're done. For company email systems, yes, it's quite normal to go with client standard requirements. Once you get more milage under your belt, all this will be second nature. If the client asks about your "employment" or similar, then just be honest and tell them you are on a project hire basis. But it's not normally necessary to initially raise this kind of conversation yourself.

[ladymuck]

I wouldn't change LI; it's my page, not theirs. If it's a show stopper then refusing would depend on my cash flow at the time - I'd consider putting it up there and then quickly taking it down again. Ditto above - I always keep MyCo as an active role and my headline always clearly states I'm a freelancer.

I wouldn't necessarily announce to the client that I'm a contractor but, if asked how long I had worked for the consultancy for example, I'd say they engaged me for this gig and I've never worked for them before. Otherwise you then have to keep up the pretence of answering questions like, what do you do when the consultancy doesn't have a client for you? Which is what I have asked of permies working for consultancies

Anyone at the client co is soon going to spot I'm a freelancer if they look me up on LI anyway.

[jmo21]

The fibbing to end clients one is an odd one, but insanely common even in the permie consultancy space.

It's not that odd to me. They don't want their end client to know you are a contractor that they could have just hired themselves. They want to keep the illusion that they have qualified staff on payroll to work on projects.

[vwdan]

The fibbing to end clients one is an odd one, but insanely common even in the permie consultancy space.

Personally, I'd refuse to ever change my LI profile (They may as well ask you to change your website) but I don't mind White lies by omission. Generally, once the end client know you it becomes a non-issue and nobody cares but it doesn't tend to come up that often tbh.

I'm unclear on the signature - on their email system? That's standard - most companies don't care to boast about who is a contractor. If it's your own email you're using then it's so ridiculously stupid you should walk ok principle.

What I will say is that there are fine lines between picking your battles vs being a walkover and acting like a contractor vs being difficult. It's a hard balance, but IMHO a huge part of it is not being in a place where you're desperate and can't walk.

Take the Linked In request, as an example. No Contractor should have any qualms responding with a polite email that you consider LI to be you and your companies marketing and that you don't accept marketing requests from clients. They like it, lump it or you walk - simple. In my experience, done delicately it can actually move the relationship to where it needs to be - i.e., B2B

[northernladuk]

Just do what they ask. It’s not uncommon.
Also leave your contractor company as a live engagement.

When you leave, or are trying to leave, you can make it say what you want.

Some battles aren’t worth fighting.

I don't agree with this personally. What the OP has listed could be just the tip of the iceberg. I'm with Cojak on this one. Unless I was desperate I'd be tempted to leave this one.

[cojak]

I walked when the ‘consultancy’ printed business cards for me.

Just saying...

[Lance]

Just do what they ask. It’s not uncommon.
Also leave your contractor company as a live engagement.

When you leave, or are trying to leave, you can make it say what you want.

Some battles aren’t worth fighting.

[northernladuk]

1. They want me to update my LinkedIn profile to say I am working for them along with a provided advertising blurb (this request doesn't bother me too much as I'll find a way to make it clear I'm contracting with them and this the blurb is how they describe their business). They've chased me about it a number of times over just a few days (so I know they're serious).

I'd tell them to go forth and fornicate. This is your personal page as a professional and not their advertising space. Period.

2. They want me to change my email signature to look like one of their employee's (Name - 'Job title' - TheirCo etc).

Not an issue in isolation....

3. They don't want me to tell the end client that I'm a contractor at any point (!)

What is the penalty for failing this. Its got to come out at some point surely. Starting to look like D&C at this point.

4. We (everyone on the project) are all in the same hotel. They booked it, MyCo paid for it, and they will reimburse (expenses are covered in the contract).

Fine.

5. They've also asked me to fill in some additional end client forms that are very employee-employer (So much so that I've sent them off for IR35 advice).

Depends what it is. If it's H&S and It/security policies then it will apply to anyone on site so not an IR35 issue.

The contract itself is squarely outside of IR35 (I had it checked before we got started) and the other things about this are OK (including rate, hours etc). I'm probably just overreacting (?) but I'm now feeling a bit weirded out by some of the requests as I've not had clients pushing anything like this before.

Thoughts?

The contract might be but there seems to be a bit of D&C coming in here. They want you to look like an employee so it isn't a far step to treat you like one as well. A couple of things you mention in isolation are OK but it would be starting to make me nervous.

I've never been sure how a working practices check can be done before you start a gig but I'd be looking in to having one with this gig. Speak to QDOS and see what they say.

[man]

I recently started at a new client on a project (a consultancy and an end client), and I've received some odd requests from the consultancy that are causing me a little bit of concern as I haven't encountered them before anywhere I've been:

1. They want me to update my LinkedIn profile to say I am working for them along with a provided advertising blurb (this request doesn't bother me too much as I'll find a way to make it clear I'm contracting with them and this the blurb is how they describe their business). They've chased me about it a number of times over just a few days (so I know they're serious).
2. They want me to change my email signature to look like one of their employee's (Name - 'Job title' - TheirCo etc).
3. They don't want me to tell the end client that I'm a contractor at any point (!)
4. We (everyone on the project) are all in the same hotel. They booked it, MyCo paid for it, and they will reimburse (expenses are covered in the contract).
5. They've also asked me to fill in some additional end client forms that are very employee-employer (So much so that I've sent them off for IR35 advice).

The contract itself is squarely outside of IR35 (I had it checked before we got started) and the other things about this are OK (including rate, hours etc) so it's probably (?) no big deal but some of these requests are feeling a little weird as I've not had clients pushing things like this before.

Thoughts?