Disabled people in taxis

[original PM]

interestuingly enough this thread did make me look into slavery a bit more and erm jeez I do not think there has been any race which has not been enslaved or has enslaved another race throughout history

it is only in the last 30-40 years that it has been abolished.

but back to the point it should not be for the government to dictate to a business to do business with a person or group of people when this puts the business at a financial disadvantage.

[vwdan]

^WHS, apart from its name has changed

Meet some of the costs - I like to think we as a society should share the burden.

[Platypus]

Meet some of the costs - I like to think we as a society should share the burden.

We as a society already share the burden, by giving out benefits.

[vwdan]

We as a society already share the burden, by giving out benefits.

Thanks for your support.

[vetran]

why is it not what difference does colour make to slavery?

I didn't bring up slavery. What I want to know is why in your opinion is slavery different if you are white? You seem to think it is.

[vwdan]

I didn't bring up slavery. What I want to know is why in your opinion is slavery different if you are white? You seem to think it is.

Oh.....kay. In the context of slavery, white slavery is just as bad as any other slavery. In the context of race relations, white slavery isn't really worth mentioning because it doesn't feature in modern history in the same way that white people from the western world systematically enslaved black people. Additionally, much white slavery was whites enslaving other whites.

[vetran]

Oh.....kay. In the context of slavery, white slavery is just as bad as any other slavery. In the context of race relations, white slavery isn't really worth mentioning because it doesn't feature in modern history in the same way that white people from the western world systematically enslaved black people. Additionally, much white slavery was whites enslaving other whites.

Just as much black slavery was blacks enslaving blacks. They just happened to sell them to whites. If the British, French, German, Spanish traders had been black they would have sold their fellow blacks to them. It was just the whites had the fancy goods the Black Princes wanted.

Asian or eastern European slavery they are doing to their own people.

so that isn't worth mentioning either.

[vwdan]

Just as much black slavery was blacks enslaving blacks. They just happened to sell them to whites. If the British, French, German, Spanish traders had been black they would have sold their fellow blacks to them. It was just the whites had the fancy goods the Black Princes wanted.

Asian or eastern European slavery they are doing to their own people.

so that isn't worth mentioning either.

To pretend that white people have somehow had it "Just as bad" as black people or whatever is both naive and very silly. Perhaps you should peruse this:

Atlantic slave trade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[NotAllThere]

...it is only in the last 30-40 years that it has been abolished...

Slavery has not been abolished - it goes on in many many parts of the world.

[vetran]

To pretend that white people have somehow had it "Just as bad" as black people or whatever is both naive and very silly. Perhaps you should peruse this:

Atlantic slave trade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

from your link.

The vast majority of slaves transported to the New World were Africans from the central and western parts of the continent, sold by Africans to European slave traders who then transported them to North and South America

and

The Atlantic slave trade was not the only slave trade from Africa, although it was the largest in volume and intensity. As Elikia M’bokolo wrote in Le Monde diplomatique: "The African continent was bled of its human resources via all possible routes. Across the Sahara, through the Red Sea, from the Indian Ocean ports and across the Atlantic. At least ten centuries of slavery for the benefit of the Muslim countries (from the ninth to the nineteenth).... Four million enslaved people exported via the Red Sea, another four million[20] through the Swahili ports of the Indian Ocean, perhaps as many as nine million along the trans-Saharan caravan route, and eleven to twenty million (depending on the author) across the Atlantic Ocean".[21]

So the Slavers were Black, half the slave purchasers were Europeans some of who were white.

The idea of slavers sending 100 men in red jackets with muskets into the jungle /Savannah which the locals hunted in and knew well to capture 450+ slaves is pretty unlikely.

They turned up at ports and bought off the established native Black Slave traders.

and

The Atlantic slave traders, ordered by trade volume, were: the Portuguese, the British, the French, the Spanish, the Dutch, and the Americans.

so everyone was at it.

The men who sailed the ships across the Atlantic were probably press ganged so were effectively slaves.

All this 'White man Bad, Blacks good' is gibberish, the ancestors of modern Africans were selling their neighbours to anyone who would buy them long before the British got there.

If you want to cut up rough why not have a moan at the Muslims?

It was a nasty time with lots of nasty people involved but I wasn't one of them and I feel no GUILT, even if I do feel sorrow and compassion.

as it is relatively recent it is still raw but for sheer volume relative to world population at the time and Rome & the Turks were way ahead.

Slavery in ancient Rome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Of course Stalin did pretty well with forced labour numbers and deaths in a much shorter time.