Crimewatch - Madeleine McCann

[Old Greg]

Would be responsible for the abduction (as I have said many times through the thread).
I thought, here, we were talking about who would be responsible for the girl not being supervised?

So are the people responsible for the girl not being supervised responsible partly responsible for the abduction as well?

[MyUserName]

So are the people responsible for the girl not being supervised responsible partly responsible for the abduction as well?

Hmmm ... I would say no, not really.

Although we have no evidence showing that them being there would have stopped the abduction. If an abduction took place then it probably would have involved some ruthless people. Would they have given up on the potential money they had for snatching the girl or would have coshed her mother across the head and then taken her?

[Old Greg]

Hmmm ... I would say no, not really.

Although we have no evidence showing that them being there would have stopped the abduction. If an abduction took place then it probably would have involved some ruthless people. Would they have given up on the potential money they had for snatching the girl or would have coshed her mother across the head and then taken her?

So they are as responsible as all the other parents who left their children unsupervised but whose children were not abducted?

[NotAllThere]

Hmmm ... I would say no, not really.

Although we have no evidence showing that them being there would have stopped the abduction. If an abduction took place then it probably would have involved some ruthless people. Would they have given up on the potential money they had for snatching the girl or would have coshed her mother across the head and then taken her?

This was clearly well planned, so I think you're right. If Madelaine was a specific target (and who knows what criteria there were for her being taken) the criminals may have been prepared to make a broad daylight snatch. If she hadn't been left alone, maybe some other kid would have been abducted, the criminals taking advantage of them making a mistake, instead of the McCanns.

[russell]

Hmmm ... I would say no, not really.

Although we have no evidence showing that them being there would have stopped the abduction. If an abduction took place then it probably would have involved some ruthless people. Would they have given up on the potential money they had for snatching the girl or would have coshed her mother across the head and then taken her?

They abductors did reconnaissance apparently so would only have went if coast was clear.

[Old Greg]

They abductors did reconnaissance apparently so would only have went if coast was clear.

So if they had been negligent or careless abductors and turned up at the wrong time, would that have made the parents more or less responsible?

[MyUserName]

So they are as responsible as all the other parents who left their children unsupervised but whose children were not abducted?

Yes, assuming other parents had the same setup and were away for the same length of time with similar aged children etc. They were just also very(!) unlucky and will pay the price for the rest of their lives.

They abductors did reconnaissance apparently so would only have went if coast was clear.

We have no way of knowing this. Apparently some children are kidnapped to order and if they thought they could get her there and then by knocking some middle aged woman out then they might well have imho.

[MyUserName]

So if they had been negligent or careless abductors and turned up at the wrong time, would that have made the parents more or less responsible?

Their level of responsibility would be unchanged.

[Old Greg]

Yes, assuming other parents had the same setup and were away for the same length of time with similar aged children etc. They were just also very(!) unlucky and will pay the price for the rest of their lives.

Their level of responsibility would be unchanged.

These two statements are consistent.

So they are responsible for leaving their children unaccompanied but only to the same extent as every other parent who has left their children in a similar way? They are not responsible in any way for the abduction?

[MaryPoppins]

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