Crimewatch - Madeleine McCann

[mudskipper]

No-one is saying you should leave your toddlers and babies unattended.

Where the disagreement seems to be is whether the fact that they did means that they should be blamed for what happened.

Their kid was abducted. To me it's disturbing that, as well as the loss of their child, they should have to deal with public condemnation. If every other parent was perfect, then maybe there's some justification, but none of us are and we all make mistakes. Most mistakes, fortunately, don't result in this sort of tragedy and public vilification.

On balance, surely they are far more deserving of sympathy than condemnation.

[DodgyAgent]

Magic phrase there.

One persons best efforts are not necessarily anothers.

At last

[socialworker]

No-one is saying you should leave your toddlers and babies unattended.

Where the disagreement seems to be is whether the fact that they did means that they should be blamed for what happened.

Their kid was abducted. To me it's disturbing that, as well as the loss of their child, they should have to deal with public condemnation. If every other parent was perfect, then maybe there's some justification, but none of us are and we all make mistakes. Most mistakes, fortunately, don't result in this sort of tragedy and public vilification.

On balance, surely they are far more deserving of sympathy than condemnation.

Mm they seem pretty good at self justification though. Have they ever admitted that they made an atrocious, sustained misjudgement ? I might be able to feel a bit more sympathy if they had. Not that it helps the poor mite now however much we sympathise. Maybe they have and I just never heard it because frankly it is a subject I normally avoid.

[Hairy]

I have 5 of them - A feral bunch they are and ready to be unleashed onto the smug and sanctimonious middle classes

How many did you used to have?

[mudskipper]

Mm they seem pretty good at self justification though. Have they ever admitted that they made an atrocious, sustained misjudgement ? I might be able to feel a bit more sympathy if they had. Not that it helps the poor mite now however much we sympathise. Maybe they have and I just never heard it because frankly it is a subject I normally avoid.

So you think public self-flagellation would have made them more deserving of sympathy?

[Hairy]

Mm they seem pretty good at self justification though. Have they ever admitted that they made an atrocious, sustained misjudgement ? I might be able to feel a bit more sympathy if they had. Not that it helps the poor mite now however much we sympathise. Maybe they have and I just never heard it because frankly it is a subject I normally avoid.

This is why I haven't really got what happened to them; they've never really said, tulip, we ****ed up, jesus, what were we thinking...

[DodgyAgent]

Mm they seem pretty good at self justification though. Have they ever admitted that they made an atrocious, sustained misjudgement ? I might be able to feel a bit more sympathy if they had. Not that it helps the poor mite now however much we sympathise. Maybe they have and I just never heard it because frankly it is a subject I normally avoid.

Did they not send you a personal letter of apology? Or should they have gone public with it? where is the inquisition when you need someone to admit something to the baying mob?

[socialworker]

Did they not send you a personal letter of apology? Or should they have gone public with it? where is the inquisition when you need someone to admit something to the baying mob?

If you are going to accuse others of getting personal as in another thread maybe you should restrain yourself a bit. This case arouses strong feelings in everyone.

They have put themselves out in the public eye a lot, no one forced them to. They didnt need to in order to find the child because they obviously have a lot of influence to get such huge resources put into the investigation when plenty of other cases do not. They even had Cameron making statements virtually ordering a reopening of the investigation, who else gets that?
This thread is going round in circles now so I'll bow out.

[Hairy]

Did they not send you a personal letter of apology? Or should they have gone public with it? where is the inquisition when you need someone to admit something to the baying mob?

I think maybe if they showed a little more contrition, as to their part in it, more people would warm to them. But they don't, and most sane parents wouldn't leave their kids unattended to go out, for whatever reason, so most sane parents are happy saying, we wouldn't have done that. As I said, this isn't a small risk they took, it was massive, and they did it often.

[BrilloPad]

Did they not send you a personal letter of apology? Or should they have gone public with it? where is the inquisition when you need someone to admit something to the baying mob?

Where is your apology for planning to leave your kids while you go out on the lash?