Crimewatch - Madeleine McCann

[RedSauce]

I think is getting to the strawman stage now. I don't carry around antivenom on holiday in the off chance my kid gets bitten, I don't have a surgeon on standby in case she trips over carrying a pyrex dish to the sunday dinner table and bleeds to death after cutting a main vein, I don't pack a parachute for her when she flies just in case the plane goes down.

But what I do do if someone tells me, as they did in Florida a few years back, that they've seen bull sharks, is not let her go into the water, if there is very strong medication in the house (which there has been of late), I ensure it's in a place she can't get to, my guns are locked in a safe and if I go out, I ensure people are there to look after her.

I genuinely do not know, why this is carrying on. Admitting she took a risk, admits it was risky behaviour. If you can't see culpability, on a large scale, then I genuinely will never get your point.

Because for some people, criticizing other parents makes them feel/look like better parents.

[Old Greg]

I think is getting to the strawman stage now. I don't carry around antivenom on holiday in the off chance my kid gets bitten, I don't have a surgeon on standby in case she trips over carrying a pyrex dish to the sunday dinner table and bleeds to death after cutting a main vein, I don't pack a parachute for her when she flies just in case the plane goes down.

But what I do do if someone tells me, as they did in Florida a few years back, that they've seen bull sharks, is not let her go into the water, if there is very strong medication in the house (which there has been of late), I ensure it's in a place she can't get to, my guns are locked in a safe and if I go out, I ensure people are there to look after her.

I genuinely do not know, why this is carrying on. Admitting she took a risk, admits it was risky behaviour. If you can't see culpability, on a large scale, then I genuinely will never get your point.

My point? I think they took an unacceptable risk, not just with the benefit of hindsight. But the point I am making here is that it is not black and white, but there are many shades of grey. I wonder what would have been deemed acceptable 50, 100 or 150 years ago. If it was different, were they wrong and are we right?

[mudskipper]

My point? I think they took an unacceptable risk, not just with the benefit of hindsight. But the point I am making here is that it is not black and white, but there are many shades of grey. I wonder what would have been deemed acceptable 50, 100 or 150 years ago. If it was different, were they wrong and are we right?

Indeed - and there is something about being on holiday that causes you to let down your guard and do stuff you wouldn't do at home - it can feel like 'stepping back in time'. Getting into a taxi without seatbelts is a good example of a risk you'd probably take on holiday which you wouldn't at home.

[socialworker]

Indeed - and there is something about being on holiday that causes you to let down your guard and do stuff you wouldn't do at home - it can feel like 'stepping back in time'. Getting into a taxi without seatbelts is a good example of a risk you'd probably take on holiday which you wouldn't at home.

True. But the risks they took went well beyond that kind of thing. Look I dont think they deserved it, If they did deserve punsihment then they have been punished 100 times over. I just find them very odd as individuals and for some reason they just dont elicit the kind of sympathy from me that people in their position normally would

[OwlHoot]

But what I do do if someone tells me, as they did in Florida a few years back, that they've seen bull sharks, is not let her go into the water, ...

She'd be fine - You're more likely to be killed by a bee than a shark.

although I'd keep an eye on her in the water, and shout if I saw fins circling her

[socialworker]

She'd be fine - You're more likely to be killed by a bee than a shark.

although I'd keep an eye on her in the water, and shout if I saw fins circling her

Absolutely. Sharks just hate it when you shout.

[Hairy]

My point? I think they took an unacceptable risk, not just with the benefit of hindsight. But the point I am making here is that it is not black and white, but there are many shades of grey. I wonder what would have been deemed acceptable 50, 100 or 150 years ago. If it was different, were they wrong and are we right?

Look, I know I am getting lambasted for this, but this is something you try your hardest not to. There are risks, tulip, I beat myself up if I lose concentration in the car and they're in it. I think it's once you identify something is a rick, and an unacceptable one, which is where I think we're at, you just don't do it.

Seriously here, if you and your wife were invited for a night out, 15 mins away, for dinner, dance and drinks and you couldn't get a sitter, how long would you think about it before you said no? Seriously.

My wife and I were like CIA operative when our first kid was born; one of us would sweep through a persons house identifying tulip my kid would hurt herself on, or break, and make mental notes to keep an eye on areas, and arn of damage. we knew what our kid was like, and knew what they'd do. Take your eyes off them and they're up to something, especially at Maddy's age. Kids, at that age, don't really understand cause and effect.

My simple point, is most parents would recognise it as a bad idea. They didn't, and it's this that concerns me.

[d000hg]

As MS says, if the wrst happened I would blame myself. But would I be to blame?

I think it comes under "tulip happens" in such cases.

[MaryPoppins]

My point? I think they took an unacceptable risk, not just with the benefit of hindsight. But the point I am making here is that it is not black and white, but there are many shades of grey. I wonder what would have been deemed acceptable 50, 100 or 150 years ago. If it was different, were they wrong and are we right?

I think my view is that this is fairly black and white; the McCanns chose to leave their kids alone.

Indeed - and there is something about being on holiday that causes you to let down your guard and do stuff you wouldn't do at home - it can feel like 'stepping back in time'. Getting into a taxi without seatbelts is a good example of a risk you'd probably take on holiday which you wouldn't at home.

I don't agree with this view, and perhaps that does make me a bit of a nutter. If a taxi on hols doesn't have seatbelts, we don't get in it.

I woud have, pre child days - so not sure what that says about me.

[mudskipper]

Absolutely. Sharks just hate it when you shout.