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[SussexSeagull]

not had much experience of them myself.
I applied for a gig at Lloyds (south manchester) earlier in the year and was told i had it at 400/day.
was then told the gig was london and at max 350/day.
I told them where to go. Eventually the job appeared back at manchester at 390/day. I'd scored another gig though and haven't spoken to them since.

Current gig (Vodafone) has a large number of Wipro people as well.....not dealt with them yet but if the tech architecture i'm seeing is any measure it's going to be a long, bumpy (and therefore potentially very profitable) ride

The upside is of course they can make you look quite good!

[DodgyAgent]

Sadly, more and more greedy corporates are indulging in such malpractices to increase profits. In the US Obama has introduced tough laws against such activities where as in UK the politicians do not have the balls to tackle this problem. Every politician wants to pander to the banks etc in the hope that they get some seat on the board at a later time.

Why is it if someone in business wants to buy goods or services and pay as little as possible they are called greedy?
Your comment smacks of entitlement. You can do better than that.

[tractor]

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Why is it if someone in business wants to buy goods or services and pay as little as possible they are called greedy?
Your comment smacks of entitlement. You can do better than that.

He wasn't talking about entitlement. Although you quoted him, it was in isolation. He meant greedy enough to flout the ICT Visa regulations.

[NotAllThere]

Why is it if someone in business wants to buy goods or services and pay as little as possible they are called greedy?...

It's viewed by some as being detrimental to the society that they're based in, especially for companies that were established and survived precisely because they had a local labour force.

Same idea as "Buy British".

[Wobblyheed]

Working in a bank.

New project just in for a 32,000 customer merge project, will take approx 10 contractors a good 6 months to complete.

I asked the manager involved if he would be advertising the position on Jobserve as I have a couple of mates looking for work.

This is a bank proped up by the tax payer.

"Oh no we can have 10 Wipro guys in here within 10 working days from Chennai, the visas are fast tracked intra company and already pre-approved."


WTF??!!!

I sincerely hope that he gets what he pays for because I've worked with Wipro Bobs and they are tulip!

[SussexSeagull]

Why is it if someone in business wants to buy goods or services and pay as little as possible they are called greedy?
Your comment smacks of entitlement. You can do better than that.

The ICT system was brought in to allow overseas companies to bring in key personnel to help them get established in this country (Nissan in the North East, for example).

It is specifically not to allow companies to bring in people from abroad to undercut the local workforce, which there is a stack of evidence to suggest IT companies are.

It isn't demanding entitlement, it is asking for the laws of the land to be enforced.

[prozak]

Whenever I get a call from an agent with an Asian accent I hang up as even the agents are so bad I have no idea what the f they are on about.

Am I racist?

I have had a few calls from Wipro as well.... bye bye. no thanks. not now. not ever.

I'm lucky. Never met an offshore type who is decent at what I do.

Turning the tables, I also had a call about doing a job in Mumbai, bloody good rate too.

[bobspud]

Why is it if someone in business wants to buy goods or services and pay as little as possible they are called greedy?
Your comment smacks of entitlement. You can do better than that.

Entitlement. It's a good word. Don't you think?

I once knew a chap called Kevin (haven't seen him for years) He had a rough life and at one point used to sleep in his car at night because he had nowhere else to go. But he built a massive employment agency, and the last time I saw him was when he took me for a spin in his brand new E-Class AMG estate. That guy worked hard and did very very well. However. What would have happened to him if half way through the story, all the companies that he worked with, said: "You are too expensive. We are going to use an agency based in India to source our people because their over heads will be £2 or £3 a day not anything up from £50? He couldn't compete. He would have probably ended up somewhere worse than his car.

I am in the UK and I have a UK Mortgage and all the costs that go with that. I can't do the job for £100 day I quite literally couldn't get to the client... But thats ok because I don't know anyone else that would do my job for that rate... So the market for what I do floats quite nicely between 400 and 900 depending on luck and the market...

I don't have a problem if ICI or HSBC want to take their work offshore, because if bob number 9 takes the work for £30 in Bangkok, he can probably feed his family and pay his mortgage and taxes to the local government. (happy days).

But when you, or people like you, bring in a dozen workers under a dodgy visa scheme your motive is not that you couldn't find someone to do the work in the UK. It was the fact that you are greedy and you want more margin. So instead of taking £25 on a £300 deal, you want £250 of it because you sit in the middle and you think that makes you ENTITLED to it. While your client is enjoying the benefits of the UK, he doesn't want to fund the economy and feels ENTITLED to screw the idiots that put legislation in place.

So in the end your dodgy worker gets so little cash out of the job, he doesn't pay taxes into the local economy. He doesn't pay taxes at home. All he does for most of the time is sit on his backside in a hovel trying not to spend anything...

SOCA (look them up) are quite literally kicking down the doors of various eastern block criminals for shipping workers over on the black-markets for prostitution and building works. But next to them you are entitled to waft in great swathes of the same types of people because your friends with the right guys...

What you are is ENTITLED to be a slave master... ENTITLED to try and destroy the living standards of people that would otherwise pay taxes into the Government coffers...

But who do you think is going to buy your nice house when you feel entitled to move to a bigger one? It's not Bob28 who spent a shivering winter sat in a crap bedsit for £50 while you banked the extra margins...

[ChimpMaster]

Entitlement. It's a good word. Don't you think?

I once knew a <snip>

Good post.

D'accord.

[KentPhilip]

Entitlement. It's a good word. Don't you think?

I once knew a <snip>

Not a good post.

You recruitment friend would have gone somewhere else to make his millions.

The beauty of capitalism is that resources shift to where they are most needed. At the moment there are too many IT people in the world, so rates will go down and people will leave.
Trying to legislate this away never has a good result.