Greenism in it's death throes

[d000hg]

You realise your argument is absurd? Going out for dinner doesn't mean I still eat at home.

And to follow your/EO's argument, if standby is good then just leaving everything turned on would be even better.
This is like the argument that replacing airbags with a big spike on your steering wheel is a good idea.

[MarillionFan]

[Geek Mode] Well I now understand electricity consumption, which I didn't yesterday.Moved energy supplier and saved £400 per year by moving.

Wrote a nice spreadsheet and entered all of the gadgets/gizmos/fridges etc in the house, put down their wattage(after looking at each item) and a guess of how long they're on for running/standby. Then put in tiered KWH prices as per an electricity company and was able to work out costs by standby/running and apportion the costs according to the tiers based on consumption.

Obviously a 1/3 of all of leccy goes on the lights, but 24% (£250 per year) goes on running the two freezers and one fridge we have(!) Then the TV's at £70 per year. Leaving the Broadband modem on all the time costs £15, and the phone chargers a tenner.

Even costs a £5 to have a nightlight in my daughters room.

Now I've calculated all of the leccy consuming prices in the house, now I can go and work out the solar panel costs / inputs etc and also work out the cost of replacing the old freezer.

[/Geek Mode]

(Going to publish the model online at the end of the week for anyone who is interested)

[BlasterBates]

You realise your argument is absurd? Going out for dinner doesn't mean I still eat at home.

And to follow your/EO's argument, if standby is good then just leaving everything turned on would be even better.
This is like the argument that replacing airbags with a big spike on your steering wheel is a good idea.

But you will drive to the restaurant won't you? and I suspect you won't bother to turn the heating off when you leave the house.

A better anology I would use is that green policies are like tying party balloons to your front bumper as safety devices.

[EternalOptimist]

Doogie

Dont misunderstand me, I think its a great idea to minimise enegy costs in my home and I do. But I dont delude myself that I am saving energy.

You might reduce your energy consumption by spending your surplus on low-energy activities, but others , like me , increase overall energy consumption.

Look at MF, what is the first thing he will do with his surplus ? churn his freezer. Energy cost to the planet ? - massive.

[TimberWolf]

Incidentally, transport by dirty shipping was mentioned here, and the interesting thing about container ships is how efficient they are at transporting heavy loads over long distances. More efficient than rail and 70 items more efficient than road. So if China were 20,000 km away by ship, it would cost about the same in energy terms to move a tonne of cargo 270 km by road, about £20 per tonne for each distance.

Ch 15 Page 91: Sustainable Energy - without the hot air | David MacKay

[MarillionFan]

Look at MF, what is the first thing he will do with his surplus ? churn his freezer. Energy cost to the planet ? - massive.

Fook the planet. I'm only interested in myself.

hth

MF

[TimberWolf]

Fook the planet. I'm only interested in myself.

hth

MF

You and 6 billion others. Look at the way "environmentalists" breed like rabbits, which they justify by saying they are carbon neutral or some such nonsense to justify their selfish eco-terrorism, by for example switching to low energy light bulbs.

[EternalOptimist]

oh dear pj

Greenpeace has lost its charity status in New Zealand


what does your spin-machine-link-regurgitator have to say on that ?

[d000hg]

[Geek Mode] Well I now understand electricity consumption, which I didn't yesterday.Moved energy supplier and saved £400 per year by moving.

Wrote a nice spreadsheet and entered all of the gadgets/gizmos/fridges etc in the house, put down their wattage(after looking at each item) and a guess of how long they're on for running/standby. Then put in tiered KWH prices as per an electricity company and was able to work out costs by standby/running and apportion the costs according to the tiers based on consumption.

Meant to post last night, but you know you can just buy something you plug in and it measures your usage and current use-rate? i.e you turn on the TV and see how many W it jumps up, etc. We got one free from some company a while ago. I imagine you can get nicer ones that will graph the usage for you to look at on your PC.

Would be beneficial to get one and compare it with your figures?

[MarillionFan]

Meant to post last night, but you know you can just buy something you plug in and it measures your usage and current use-rate? i.e you turn on the TV and see how many W it jumps up, etc. We got one free from some company a while ago. I imagine you can get nicer ones that will graph the usage for you to look at on your PC.

Would be beneficial to get one and compare it with your figures?

I'll have a look at getting one. I also need it for a project at clientco to get a better understanding of 'Energy'

My 'estimated' figures based on wattage, hours running, hours standby, were 20% higher than my actual KWH usage.

I've been toying with a 'Plan B' Energy Saver business for a few years but have not had time to research it or even start to understand it. For me, if I was to go into a shop and to buy a new 'appliance' for example I would like to know the total cost. ie. Cost of purchase, life and average running costs. A cheap fridge for example may actually cost more in running costs over time than a more expensive one which is more energy efficient.

When I looked at solar panels earlier this year, the guy gave me the spiel about 'show house','need to do a survey' etc but could not tell me average savings on an average house, years payback etc.

Seems to me the whole thing can be simplified to make it easier for the average punter in the street to understand and hence become a decent marketing / comparison method. Carbon footprint / schmootprint.

Does it save me money that's all people are really interested in.