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Originally posted by MaryPoppinsI'd still not breastfeed a naziOriginally posted by vetranUrine is quite nourishing -
Originally posted by sasguru View PostActually I'm not holding my breath for your answers - I know the believers MO is to ignore the hard questions.
Not particularly hard questions. They may be for you of course, but that's understandable given your inability to remember the answers to questions you've already asked. Or is it inability to understand the answers in the first place. Can you get some sort of medication for it?When money ceases to be the tool by which men deal with one another, then men become the tools of men. Blood, whips and guns--or dollars. Take your choice - Ayn Rand, Atlas.Comment
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Originally posted by d000hg View PostThose who study Christian theology say it is logical. But debate can't convince anyone of anything... even discussing some scientific theory people can refuse to be convinced. Is that faith or stubborness?
Neither do I see any particular dichotomy between the two positions. I always amazed when new scientific discoveries are made, just how clever God has been in creating them. Who would have thought that he has made us into what we are using something like evolution to get there. Incredible.
The two tie up nicely when I look at them in that light.When money ceases to be the tool by which men deal with one another, then men become the tools of men. Blood, whips and guns--or dollars. Take your choice - Ayn Rand, Atlas.Comment
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Originally posted by sasguru View PostActually I'm not holding my breath for your answers - I know the believers MO is to ignore the hard questions.
If your question of "why do bad things happen" is answered "because God moves in mysterious ways", then the person answering hasn't thought through anything, and probably doesn't even know the basic tenets of what the purport to believe.Down with racism. Long live miscegenation!Comment
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Originally posted by deano View Post...Who would have thought that he has made us into what we are using something like evolution to get there...Down with racism. Long live miscegenation!Comment
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Originally posted by NotAllThere View PostFor common or garden believers, that is the case. But theologians have wrestled with the philosophical problems of religion - the hard questions - for centuries.
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_apologetics which is concerned with this very subject.Originally posted by MaryPoppinsI'd still not breastfeed a naziOriginally posted by vetranUrine is quite nourishingComment
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Originally posted by deano View PostI don't know. My understanding of Christian theology leads me to believe that it is logical. However I also believe science is logical, from quantum theory, through evolutionary theory and back to the big bang.
Neither do I see any particular dichotomy between the two positions. I always amazed when new scientific discoveries are made, just how clever God has been in creating them. Who would have thought that he has made us into what we are using something like evolution to get there. Incredible.
The two tie up nicely when I look at them in that light."Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny. "
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Originally posted by deano View PostOkay, question 1. Previously on this thread I wrote....
There is no evidence for a supernatural being because by definition that means the being is "beyond" nature. And the only tools we have available are the ones we have fashioned from within nature. Ergo, there is no way to prove the existence of God.
That is why it is called faith.
Which bit don't you get?
2) It may not persuade you, but to be frank I don't really care whether I do or not. There's nothing in it for me after all. But it does for me. You might need to read around the subject though, but anyone who was around in the aftermath of 9/11 and who wasn't terribly dull might get the reference. I don't hold out much hope for you.
Genesis 17.17-27
17Then Abraham fell on his face and laughed, and said to himself, “Can a child be born to a man who is a hundred years old? Can Sarah, who is ninety years old, bear a child?” 18And Abraham said to God, “O that Ishmael might live in your sight!” 19God said, “No, but your wife Sarah shall bear you a son, and you shall name him Isaac. I will establish my covenant with him as an everlasting covenant for his offspring after him.
Easy peasy. I'm beginning to think that with all the simple questions and having to keep repeating the answer, you might actually be a bit... well simple.
So your answers to my question are:
1. There is no evidence you can point to for the existence of "God".
2. You can't really say why your beliefs are better than than the 9/11 bombers.
Fair enough.
I think I'll explore Buddhism a little more. That seems, in general, like a sensible sort of religion - if indeed it one.Hard Brexit now!
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Originally posted by sasguru View Post...Fair enough.
I think I'll explore Buddhism a little more. That seems, in general, like a sensible sort of religion - if indeed it one.Down with racism. Long live miscegenation!Comment
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Originally posted by d000hg View PostIndeed. Assuming all believers are stupid is pretty naive. ALL the smart/hard questions people trot out feeling smug about "this'll get 'em" - none of these are new questions, they have all been asked for centuries.
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_apologetics which is concerned with this very subject.Hard Brexit now!
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