Get your brit card

[woody1]

Just to note, not restricting this to asylum seekers which is only about 5% of migrants.

I saw a figure recently that 96% of migrants are here legally (through work visas etc). Is that what your 5% is referring to?

And yet all the furore is about illegals, small boats, asylum hotels. Talk about overlooking the whopping elephant in the room.

[Smartie]

I saw a figure recently that 96% of migrants are here legally (through work visas etc). Is that what your 5% is referring to?

And yet all the furore is about illegals, small boats, asylum hotels. Talk about overlooking the whopping elephant in the room.

Exactly that. For us, it's legal migration that's the issue regarding work in IT.

The boats things is a very visible indicator that the UK doesn't have control of borders/immigration (remember 'take back control'?)

Anyway, a digital ID would provide more/easier control and I'm all in favour.

[NotAllThere]

After considering the initial applications/settlements, we should then think about family imports.
The UK is tightening that up now, but it's been (apparently) easily possible for one asylum seeker to bring in another half dozen relatives fairly quickly once accepted.
Is that the same in other countries?

Here, citizens and permanent residents can apply for family reunification for children under 18 and spouses/legal partners You have to demonstrate you can financially support them. You can also apply for parents, if you can show they don't have sufficient care where they're living. You must have sufficient space for everyone to live in the same home. They may be required to enroll on language courses and achieve a certain level (not very high) of language skills upon renewal.

For B permit (temporary residents), it's only children under 18 and spouses/legal partners, with the same financial and housing provisos of course. That's how my wife and kids were able to come with me when we first moved here.

Asylum seekers provisionally admitted (F permit) can bring family over after two years, but must start the application before three years. Same conditions as B permit.

Recognised refugees (B permit), if they were married and had children before they fled, then there's no housing or financial requirement. If they married / had children after receiving refugee status, then it's the same as for temporary residents.

Finally S permit holders - essentially Ukrainians - S permit holders can apply for family reunification only in exceptional cases, such as Immediate family members (spouse, minor children) who are still in danger and unable to flee on their own, or dependent relatives who require care and have no other support. They still have to have adequate housing and be able to support the family member financially. And they have to prove the relationship was pre-existing.

Seems reasonable to me. What we don't get is people coming over and being supported by the state.

[Peoplesoft bloke]

Anyway, a digital ID would provide more/easier control and I'm all in favour.

We don't do much to control illegal working and immigration. Having an expensive ID system won't, in and of itself, make an iota of difference.

[sadkingbilly]

Here, citizens and permanent residents can apply for family reunification for children under 18 and spouses/legal partners You have to demonstrate you can financially support them. You can also apply for parents, if you can show they don't have sufficient care where they're living. You must have sufficient space for everyone to live in the same home. They may be required to enroll on language courses and achieve a certain level (not very high) of language skills upon renewal.

For B permit (temporary residents), it's only children under 18 and spouses/legal partners, with the same financial and housing provisos of course. That's how my wife and kids were able to come with me when we first moved here.

Asylum seekers provisionally admitted (F permit) can bring family over after two years, but must start the application before three years. Same conditions as B permit.

Recognised refugees (B permit), if they were married and had children before they fled, then there's no housing or financial requirement. If they married / had children after receiving refugee status, then it's the same as for temporary residents.

Finally S permit holders - essentially Ukrainians - S permit holders can apply for family reunification only in exceptional cases, such as Immediate family members (spouse, minor children) who are still in danger and unable to flee on their own, or dependent relatives who require care and have no other support. They still have to have adequate housing and be able to support the family member financially. And they have to prove the relationship was pre-existing.

Seems reasonable to me. What we don't get is people coming over and being supported by the state.

is there an anal retention exam? and compulsory mooth puckerin' classes???
asking for a friend.

[ladymuck]

... You can also apply for parents, if you can show they don't have sufficient care where they're living. ...

Is that so you can send them to Dignitas?

[NotAllThere]

I hate Switzerland and the Swiss

We know. Have you sought therapy?

Smartie asked how family reunification works in other countries. So I was helpful.

[sadkingbilly]

We know. Have you sought therapy?

Smartie asked how family reunification works in other countries. So I was helpful.

oh jings, - i forgot aboot the compulsory sensofhumourectomy.

sorry, - it are wicked to mock the afflicted.

I don't hate CH, - just find it like edinburgh squared. the land of the glass navel.

[SueEllen]

Exactly that. For us, it's legal migration that's the issue regarding work in IT.

The boats things is a very visible indicator that the UK doesn't have control of borders/immigration (remember 'take back control'?)

Anyway, a digital ID would provide more/easier control and I'm all in favour.

It won't.

Migrants and those settled under the EU scheme have to now show digital proof of right to work.

It's a money making scheme for one of Starmer's croney friends.

[NotAllThere]

oh jings, - i forgot aboot the compulsory sensofhumourectomy.

There's an article in The Times by Claudia Winkelman about a visit to Lausanne. She said everybody is smiling.

Ah, I thought, that must be the foreigners.