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    I'm upping and moving family abroad to Denmark where I've gradually moved one business. This gives easy access to Sweden and Norway under their Nordic trade agreements. Also moving a consulting firm over, which has been more difficult due to staffing, as you might expect. There are threads on this forum about people wanting to work and live abroad. Why?

    The UK is gradually failing. That's why the decline is less noticeable, because it's happened since 2010. Police don't respond to calls about fraud unless it's very big in size, and even then it takes them years to enforce the law. Quality of life has decreased. Those hanging on to outside ir35 contracts are lucky, but the net is tightening and it looks like the game will soon be over. See threads posted in Business and look at this forum traffic statistics to see how far down it is from its heyday.

    Fraud pays. Crime pays. It's sad, but you know it's true. The increase in fraud figures are not only well above inflation, but are many multiples of a decade ago. Crime pays. The most disturbing thing is that people seem to accept it. People like us complained a decade ago and we complain now, all the while taxes are at record high levels. That's it, complaining. Where's the action? Things are still broken, the police still aren't acting and the social contract is falling apart.

    I have noticed on this forum that a lot of responses to people leaving are along the lines of "don't let the door hit you on the way out!" But what if the stream of people leaving increases and increases?

    https://www.ft.com/content/c30f2603-...1-53fd340ed836

    You can use a paywall removal website to view the subscription block.

    No poll attached, but how will you go? What will you tolerate before you look at other countries? There is a "cope" used that "all countries are the same!" when talking about the negative prospects we see in the UK. Brexit reckoning and acknowledgement of its failure don't seem close. How long will people live in denial that the economic and quality of life prospects for the UK are distinctly negative?

    No blaming immigrants. No blaming those on welfare. It's governmental and societal responsibility. Austerity began this UK failure and only acceptance and the need to find a solution will bring it back. Moaning about a government from 20 or 30 years ago is whataboutism.

    There are a lot of country comparison websites, but if you use OurWorldInData, OECD and others you can quickly see that over the last three decades the UK has ruined its golden position and is now not a good place to live and bring up children unless you are very rich. This is the setup of failure, because social mobility is key to societal cohesion and better wealth prospects for all. The dangerous thing is becoming used to decline and low quality. Don't accept it.

    If you read this and still think "don't let the door hit you on the way out" then explain to me why a child born in Germany, Sweden, Nederlands, Denmark and other places is far better off and better educated than the UK. It was absolutely not the case 20 to 30 years ago. Something worrying has happened and stonewalling the thought doesn't lead to a solution.

    I'd be interested to read what NotAllThere and others who have all but fully emigrated think when they come back to the UK for visits. I will still try to post useful comments sometimes in the Business section, but I'm out. Good luck.

    If you feel the same urge to better the prospects of your life and family then look at democracies. Don't trust those who judge based on emotion and prejudice, judge based on pure statistics. Use helpful resources, stats websites, and build evidence of your prospective country, which will lead you to avoid the likes of Dubai, Barbados, and the USA for obvious reasons:

    https://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org

    https://rsf.org/en/index

    https://ourworldindata.org

    Those who do no investigation and love to complain are part of the problem. Vote with your feet.

    #2
    oh, what a shame!
    bye!
    missing you already.

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      #3
      NotAllThere
      WTFH

      I posted this in the Business forum but it has instead appeared in General.

      sadkingbilly A lot of the very high earning contractors in the £800 to £1500+ per day range are looking to leave the UK. Oliverson, Edison, that's excluding those that don't post here but have moved and those who lurk but don't ever post.

      Keep in mind that people can work from abroad on UK contracts, which I have already consistently seen across businesses. People are moving from the UK to work on multiple contracts, including for UK companies, while abroad, and it's all legally acceptable within Europe, as it should be.

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        #4
        Originally posted by agentzero View Post
        NotAllThere
        WTFH

        I posted this in the Business forum but it has instead appeared in General.

        sadkingbilly A lot of the very high earning contractors in the £800 to £1500+ per day range are looking to leave the UK. Oliverson, Edison, that's excluding those that don't post here but have moved and those who lurk but don't ever post.

        Keep in mind that people can work from abroad on UK contracts, which I have already consistently seen across businesses. People are moving from the UK to work on multiple contracts, including for UK companies, while abroad, and it's all legally acceptable within Europe, as it should be.
        I know.
        I've lived and worked in several EU and other countries.
        I really DGAF what peope using 'complaints' about the market to boast about their net worth think, or do.
        Do what you like.
        I do.
        so, again:
        bye

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          #5
          Statements of fact linked to the decision to leave aren't "boasting".

          In addition, the reason you were banned recently banned from the forum is because you add nothing of value. Clicking ignore now on you, long overdue. Maybe get back to reading Hyperion or something else to distract you from the decline.

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            #6
            Originally posted by agentzero View Post
            Statements of fact linked to the decision to leave aren't "boasting".

            In addition, the reason you were banned recently banned from the forum is because you add nothing of value. Clicking ignore now on you, long overdue. Maybe get back to reading Hyperion or something else to distract you from the decline.
            I wouldn't knock anyone for moving abroad if they have thought about it and decided it is best for them and their family, especially to Europe. I do take slight issue with people who go to places like Dubai which are great if you have money but the human rights record and lack of democracy is appalling.

            That said I imagine everywhere has its advantages and disadvantages. Scandinavia no doubt has a higher standard of living and public services but you pay more tax for the privilege. If that is a balance you and others are happy with then absolutely go for it but equally had Labour run on a manifesto of increasing taxes to improve public services last year they probably wouldn't have won.

            I suspect America gradually changing focus to the Pacific rather than the Atlantic, which was actually the case Under Obama and Biden even if has been accelerated by Trump, and Europe having to go it alone will move the UK closer to Europe even if we don't rejoin the EU as in their heart of hearts they know they need our security and defence capabilities.

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              #7
              Sorry, can't move your thread. Because like Britain (apparently) the forum is broken.

              I moved to Switzerland in 2002. Despite losing my management job in a multinational in 3 years, due to politics, I never had any intention of moving back to the UK. We had been looking to emigrate for several years before we finally did. Reasons - different life style and better weather. Plus our kids would grow up bilingual. Initially we want to go to France, as I speak French, but ended up in German speaking Switzerland; at the time I spoke no German.

              Now my grandchildren are Swiss, my children-in-law are native Swiss, my children are Swiss. My wife and I are Swiss. We have no intention of returning to the UK, having few ties except a few siblings and elderly parents.

              How do we feel about the UK when we visit? I like the place, but I wouldn't want to live there. The governments for decades have just been so incompetent. Unable to get anything done. Here, it takes a bit time and lots of discussion, but things get done. There is long term thinking. And the weather is better. So is the skiing.

              Down with racism. Long live miscegenation!

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                #8
                Originally posted by agentzero View Post
                Statements of fact linked to the decision to leave aren't "boasting".

                In addition, the reason you were banned recently banned from the forum is because you add nothing of value. Clicking ignore now on you, long overdue. Maybe get back to reading Hyperion or something else to distract you from the decline.
                still here?
                thought you were going?

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by NotAllThere View Post

                  How do we feel about the UK when we visit? I like the place, but I wouldn't want to live there. The governments for decades have just been so incompetent. Unable to get anything done. Here, it takes a bit time and lots of discussion, but things get done. There is long term thinking. And the weather is better. So is the skiing.
                  I broadly agree about the mismanagement of the country but ultimately you get the government you deserve. Enough people were persuaded that their life would be improved by leaving the EU and we are still seeing the effects of that decision. The current government has tried to either save money - e.g. Winter Fuel Allowance - or raise more tax - e.g. Employer NI rises or changing Inheritance Tax on farms - and it soon became clear the electorate have fallen out of the habit of taking bad news and considering the big picture.

                  People in this country want change so long as it doesn't cost them anything.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by NotAllThere View Post
                    Sorry, can't move your thread. Because like Britain (apparently) the forum is broken.

                    I moved to Switzerland in 2002.
                    How do we feel about the UK when we visit? I like the place, but I wouldn't want to live there. The governments for decades have just been so incompetent. Unable to get anything done. Here, it takes a bit time and lots of discussion, but things get done.
                    not hard when you have a population less than greater london.

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