We forgot Jesus birthday

[vetran]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...hday-date.html

Apparently we need to send Him an earlier birthday card.

Despite Christian tradition, Jesus was likely not born on December 25, 1 AD.

If Jesus were born in the reign of King Herod then he must have been born before 4 BC at the very earliest.

Based on the account of the Star of Bethlehem some scholars have linked the date to astronomical events.

Jesus' birth might be dated to Spring 5 BC to align with the arrival of a comet.

Alternatively, the date could be April 6 BC during a triple conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn.

[WTFH]

The WOKE Daily Mail wants to CANCEL CHRISTMAS.

[vetran]

The WOKE Daily Mail wants to CANCEL CHRISTMAS.

or


A decent paper prints the truth about the movements of sky fairies!

[ladymuck]

Do people seriously think he was born on the 25th December rather than the early Christian church simply taking over an already existing winter festival to broaden appeal to the heathens?

[ladymuck]

or


A decent paper prints the truth about the movements of sky fairies!

Even with the that statement is still hilarious

[WTFH]

Do people seriously think he was born on the 25th December rather than the early Christian church simply taking over an already existing winter festival to broaden appeal to the heathens?

Most (non-Wailers) were aware that 25th December was chosen about 300 years after his birth, and my memory was that the year was considered to be 6-3BC, either late Spring or early Autumn.

What is rather amusing is the the Wailer-in-chief uses the term "sky fairies".
Whether or not one chooses to have any religious belief, there is evidence outside of biblical texts that a man named Jesus and other members of his family actually did exist at that time.

[NotAllThere]

Do people seriously think he was born on the 25th December rather than the early Christian church simply taking over an already existing winter festival to broaden appeal to the heathens?

The only people who think it's actually the 25th are people who've simply not bothered looking into it. The takeover of Saturnalia wasn't just to broaden appeal to the heathens - it was also because it gives the people something to party about at a pretty miserable time of year. At least several latitudes above the tropic of Cancer.

Theologically, many consider that his birthday was in October, around the Feast of Tabernacles. Tabernacle is a temporary dwelling place - a tent. In the book of John, John writes "The Word because flesh and dwelt among us". That word "dwelt" can easily be interpretated as "Tabernacled".

The late Queen had two birthdays. Why shouldn't Jesus?

On the other hand, October can be pretty miserable. Maybe we should campaign for the date to be changed.

Christmas, Hallowe'en, New Year.

Can't see a downside.

[NotAllThere]

What is rather amusing is the the Wailer-in-chief uses the term "sky fairies".

Sky fairies is used by lazy stupid people who apparently consider all fictional beings to be the same. And are ignorant of fairy tales and folk legend concerning fairies and their ilk.

[vetran]

That's the thing about belief you can chose not to. A gentle poke at the believers (the few that aren't killing each other based on their devout religious beliefs) is a bit of fun in my opinion. As an Atheist then belief in a benevolent God is too ridiculous for me to support! He has killed too many or permitted too many to be killed. The mosquito is a bit of a giveaway.

I do find the timeline interesting. It makes people consider that even Christ's birthday was a falsehood to forward the religion.

At least the Wail exists and you can touch it.
I suppose in religion priests exist and can touch you, were I god some mysterious ways would shuffle them off this mortal coil pretty quickly.

I'm not lazy just efficient! Of course no fairy tales were appropriated by the Bible this is the old testament so widely believed to be the word of god odd that he wrote practice notes millennia early.

The version closest to the biblical story of Noah is that of Utnapishtim in the Epic of Gilgamesh. A complete text of Utnapishtim's story is contained on a clay tablet dating from the seventh century BCE, but fragments of the story have been found from as far back as the 19th century BCE.

Jesus the man existing - the name was pretty common so a Jesus of Nazareth is no more exciting than John of Northampton.

https://www.christianity.com/jesus/i...nary-name.html

It was just an ordinary Jewish name, about as common in Judea as John is common to us.

That isn't exactly a burning bush or bolt of lightening.

Believe what you like, just don't expect me to join you. Sorry your beliefs are no more important than mine and what I believe in can be believed in without scrabbling about for proof.

Though the ten commandments and do unto others is arguably his best work.

[NotAllThere]

I do find the timeline interesting. It makes people consider that even Christ's birthday was a falsehood to forward the religion.

What we have here is a simple failure to understand. The church decided to celebrate the nativity in the middle of winter, offering an alternative to Saturnalia (whose roots Christmas never real overcame). While among the ill-informed, such as yourself, many people assumed that that meant that's when he was born, it was never actual church doctrine. No lies were told.

That's the thing about belief you can chose not to. A gentle poke at the believers (the few that aren't killing each other based on their devout religious beliefs) is a bit of fun in my opinion. As an Atheist then belief in a benevolent God is too ridiculous for me to support! He has killed too many or permitted too many to be killed. The mosquito is a bit of a giveaway.

Fairly standard Christian belief is that Adam sinned by eating fruit from the Tree of Life. At that point not only did he fall from grace, so did the entirety of creation.

That's why there are mosquitoes. They're a product of the corruption of what was good and perfect, as are natural disasters. Man-made disasters and other killing are entirely down to us - and Satan, who became god of this world. Satan is a malevolent being doing his best to bring about misery. Not that he needs a great deal of help.

I do find it interesting that many atheists who denigrate Christianity know very little about it. And what they do know is wrong. Mind you, many professing Christians don't know much either.