Reply to: We forgot Jesus birthday

[vetran]

O little town of not that Bethlehem

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...Bethlehem.html

Instead, some experts suggest that Jesus would have been born 68 miles (175km) away in the small town of Nazareth.

Some archaeologists even suggest that Jesus could have been born in a second Bethlehem just 4 miles (7km) away from Mary and David's hometown.

Does make sense 175km seems a long way for a population to travel.

[Zigenare]

Wot's wrong with shekels?

Depends whose life story you're paying for!

[DoctorStrangelove]

Wot's wrong with shekels?

[sadkingbilly]

Dinarii, surely?

Aurei, or i won't get out of bed.

[Zigenare]

Dinarii, surely?

I sit corrected.

[DoctorStrangelove]

now are they late for this year or early for next year?

I seem to recall one of the local small shops being busted for selling easter eggs from the previous year, expired BBE.

[vetran]

It seems the supermarkets know about teh inconcistency

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...-born-yet.html

Easter treats appear on supermarket shelves in December - leaving people to joke 'Jesus hasn't even been born yet'

now are they late for this year or early for next year?

[Zigenare]

That's a fair point. I was thinking more about the oral traditions of, say, Aboriginal tribes in Oz, and other groups that have their own origin stories that aren't necessarily written down. There's loads of pagan tales, Norse sagas, Greco-Roman shenanigans that also fall into the "entertaining" camp but still contain something of a message that is designed to convey societal norms and expected behaviours.

That also is a fair point - things changed I feel when some chaps worked out they could gain influence and a few dinarius etc.

[ladymuck]

That sounds rather benign given the effect that organised religions have had and are having, namely being used to manipulate the (kept that way) ignorant masses by the "educated" few. "You don't need to read the holy texts, I shall read them to you" has led to all types of shenanigans through history...

That's a fair point. I was thinking more about the oral traditions of, say, Aboriginal tribes in Oz, and other groups that have their own origin stories that aren't necessarily written down. There's loads of pagan tales, Norse sagas, Greco-Roman shenanigans that also fall into the "entertaining" camp but still contain something of a message that is designed to convey societal norms and expected behaviours.

[DoctorStrangelove]

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[xoggoth]

Thank you NAT. Where's my present???

[xoggoth]

Who cares about the birth dates of nobodies like that? It's MY birthday today, that's all that matters!

[WTFH]

Were I rude that could be considered a clear proof of your delusion, believing a criminal was actually the son of a "god" is a stretch.

Speaking of “delusion”, please provide a link to where I said that.

[Zigenare]

So someone who was called Jesus (as common as John) was crucified effectively for sedition? It was one of the common example punishments of the Romans. This means beyond doubt he is the son of god? Obviously irrefutable, again a lack of belief in a story regardless of who may have repeated it is not ignorance.

How did Spartacus et al die? Their story is well documented and none of what they achieved was because of alleged miracles.

Were I rude that could be considered a clear proof of your delusion, believing a criminal was actually the son of a "god" is a stretch.

Was Jesus an antisemite? Asking for a friend...
*Note - although I posted the above in jest, it turns out that Rabbi Asor certainly thought so...

Jesus was an anti-Semite, preached against the Old Testament and founded a new religion… These are typical claims uttered by those who oppose the messianic faith and Jesus.
In his book, Rabbi Asor repeats the claim several times – that Jesus and his disciples were anti-Semites. But was Jesus really an anti-Semite? If so, what about the rebukes and angry prophecies by the Old Testament Prophets? Were they anti-Semites too? And what about a Jewish-Israeli reporter who criticizes Rabbi Ovadia Yosef and Rabbi Rentgen? Is he being anti-Semitic? Or is anyone who disagrees with the rabbis automatically labelled “anti-Semitic”?
It’s a convenient way to deal with people you want to silence, isn’t it? To accuse anyone who disagrees with you of being “anti-Semitic”. But Jesus was a Jew from the tribe of Judah, not some anti-Semitic gentile.
Just like the Biblical prophets of old, Jesus criticized the religious leaders of his people, which is the exact reason that they call him an anti-Semite. The Messiah, more than any prophet before him, has the right to challenge the people of Israel and their leaders about their sins. Jesus’ opinion of the Law is clear to anyone who will bother to read the New Testament.

https://www.oneforisrael.org/bible-b...n-anti-semite/

[Zigenare]

I like origin stories. Every culture has them as there has always been a need for people to understand where we came from and why we are here. Some cultures turn that into an organised religion, with factions and offshoots developing over time. Others just keep them as stories that share common themes important to that group in an entertaining way.

None of these stories need to be empirically proven in any way. That's not really their purpose.

The pure atheist view is almost a religion in itself, maybe more akin to a cult, considering some of the fervour with which its proponents push their viewpoint with as much zeal as a door to door Mormon.

That sounds rather benign given the effect that organised religions have had and are having, namely being used to manipulate the (kept that way) ignorant masses by the "educated" few. "You don't need to read the holy texts, I shall read them to you" has led to all types of shenanigans through history...