Horrors of their first budget.

[malvolio]

Just to paraphrase many posters here:

Not at all. I hope they succeed, what they are telling us they want to achieve is fine. They're going about it in a bloody strange way though.

I hate Starmer, he a complete tool. Luckily his cabinet look like they are ignoring him

[DoctorStrangelove]

I detest 99% of all politicians, but it must be said that this latest clueless lying bunch of toerags are as bad as the previous bunch of useless lying toerags.

I think the last PM I had any regard for was John Major, especially when we found out he was boning Eggwina.

[BolshieBastard]

It amuses me how little critics seem to have to bash Starmer with. If we want to see people who really did well from donations, we only have to look at Conservative MPs.

https://news.sky.com/story/westminst...tcode-12771627 (click on any MP name after "Search for" on the right, then click "Skip Intro" at the bottom)

At the risk of being accused of "whataboutery" - but then that's pretty much what's going on here - it's early days for Labour but they'll have to work hard to equal the level of unsavouriness of the Johnson government - see https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-boris-johnson for example.

I'm quite happy to see how Labour get on over the next couple of years. If they're completely hopeless and worse than the Tories at their best (excuse the oxymoron), I'll admit I was wrong.

1, It's clearly escaped your attention that the current Government are not tories. They are socialists freeloading on freebies.
2, Id take the same position if tory sleaze was going on and did when they were.
3, Stasi Starmer said he was going to be better than the tories. But freeloaded all the same.
4, As for 'whataboutery,' that seems the basis of your position: Whataboutery,the tories did it?
5, No, you will not admit you were wrong. You's just slope off into a corner or hope no one raised the point you were wrong '5 years ago' and probably revert to your favourite saying, whataboutery?

[Zigenare]

I miss the days when the only thing anyone cared about, in the budget, was how much of an increase would there be in the price of fags and booze.

If you were looking for a definition of working class, I think I've found it!

[Zigenare]

Just to paraphrase many posters here:

For someone with no skin in the game, you've a very big mouth.

[ensignia]

You whingeing old bastards need to go to the Daily Mail site instead of here. Jesus wept.

[vetran]

You whingeing old bastards need to go to the Daily Mail site instead of here. Jesus wept.

Ok so what was good about this budget? How does it grow our economy?

[dsc]

Ok so what was good about this budget? How does it grow our economy?

It saves the gov a tulip ton of money due to extra NI and not unlocking tax brackets. Doubt it was ever about growing the economy, I'd say the plan was to plug the big whole in the treasury more than anything and to have something to throw at the NHS (which won't help anyway).

For people with one-man-band ltds I can't see much bad in it though, the market is already absolutely thrashing ltds, I'm not crazy about the extra £600 NI (or whatever it is), but it does not matter much in the current job market.

[oliverson]

It saves the gov a tulip ton of money due to extra NI and not unlocking tax brackets. Doubt it was ever about growing the economy, I'd say the plan was to plug the big whole in the treasury more than anything and to have something to throw at the NHS (which won't help anyway).

For people with one-man-band ltds I can't see much bad in it though, the market is already absolutely thrashing ltds, I'm not crazy about the extra £600 NI (or whatever it is), but it does not matter much in the current job market.

Agree with this but also would add they haven't changed a thing regarding BIK on EV's. Another Tesla lease for me then when this one expires next year.

[BolshieBastard]

It saves the gov a tulip ton of money due to extra NI and not unlocking tax brackets. Doubt it was ever about growing the economy, I'd say the plan was to plug the big whole in the treasury more than anything and to have something to throw at the NHS (which won't help anyway).

For people with one-man-band ltds I can't see much bad in it though, the market is already absolutely thrashing ltds, I'm not crazy about the extra £600 NI (or whatever it is), but it does not matter much in the current job market.

How on earth does it save the Government 'a ton of money' when the Government itself states it is borrowing tens of billions pounds more?! And both Stasi and Reeves have said it's a Government to grow the economy.

As with all increases, the extra is only a peak projection not actual extra. Why, because people who a due to pay the extra mitigate it by either not taking on extra staff, laying off some existing staff or just closing their business altogether.