Horrors of their first budget.

[Andy2022]

Having seen both automation and offshoring decimate UK manufacturing, be very careful what you wish for.

UK manufacturing hasn't been decimated though… sure it employs less people and is a lower proportion of GDP as we've increasingly focused on services but UK manufacturing has grown too over the last 30 yrs

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk...cdp-2022-0205/

[vetran]

UK manufacturing hasn't been decimated though… sure it employs less people and is a lower proportion of GDP as we've increasingly focused on services but UK manufacturing has grown too over the last 30 yrs

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk...cdp-2022-0205/

Its odd then how many factories I have walked through that are gutted and are now manufactured abroad.

Assembly in the UK is more common. Manufacture not so much.

[sadkingbilly]

Its odd then how many factories I have walked through that are gutted and are now manufactured abroad.

yeh, - right!

[vetran]

yeh, - right!

I said walked through not run through them stealing the copper like you.

If you work for a big international company that manufactured in the UK and Europe you see a lot of manufacturing sites replaced by offices and the work going offshore or being consolidated with more automation. As one of the guys doing the systems worldwide I got to see them closed.For some reason they like to do all the manufacturing nowadays in least cost countries like Africa and Mexico. If you can get the goods by sea in 21-60 days why would you manufacture in the UK unless you need custom or very high tech parts? Or they need special shipping? If you make it abroad you get access to transfer prices for avoiding taxes


Not my ex employer but they had similar plans.
https://media.ford.com/content/fordm...-business.html

[Andy2022]

Its odd then how many factories I have walked through that are gutted and are now manufactured abroad.

Assembly in the UK is more common. Manufacture not so much.

Automation increases productivity, before Brexit had a detrimental impact on the UK car industry we had less people working in the car industry than at anytime but we were producing more cars then ever

What do you define as assembly… modern production lines cross country borders – place around the corner from me makes lorry spark plugs, they go off to Germany to be heat treated, then back to the UK and then get shipped to truck engine makers. Post Brexit they were going to bring heat treatment to the UK but not sure whether they ever did

[vetran]

Automation increases productivity, before Brexit had a detrimental impact on the UK car industry we had less people working in the car industry than at anytime but we were producing more cars then ever

What do you define as assembly… modern production lines cross country borders – place around the corner from me makes lorry spark plugs, they go off to Germany to be heat treated, then back to the UK and then get shipped to truck engine makers. Post Brexit they were going to bring heat treatment to the UK but not sure whether they ever did

which car was it that where they only fitted the car seat in the uk and they could slap a "made in Britain" flag on it?

I think it was Volvo.

[vetran]

Here you go

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._manufacturers

https://www.backupworks.com/manufacture-hdd-in-usa.aspx

Assembly is joining of complete components without machining. So if you put spark plugs in an engine that is assembly IMHO.

[dsc]

That has been a redundant view since the Luddites, automation increases wealth and has done for the last 300 years, it creates and/or allows new jobs. We were told in the 70's to prepare for loads of leisure time when we became adults as Computers would be doing all the work .

The Railways really piss me me off because they are ripe for more automation, instead of guards in the back cab watching porn (yes I've seen them).

Sure but doesn't happen without training, if you sack some low level ops and replace the systems with some high level stuff, the low level ops won't necessarily know how to work them (even with training). It can definitely create jobs, but it also kills jobs.

[dsc]

until of course it falls because they killed the goldengoose

What goldengoose?

[Gibbon]

Here you go

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._manufacturers

https://www.backupworks.com/manufacture-hdd-in-usa.aspx

Assembly is joining of complete components without machining. So if you put spark plugs in an engine that is assembly IMHO.

Plenty of companies are competing by better automation

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