Sir Kier Starmer - Odds on not completing a full term?

[SueEllen]

The problem is, care home fees are already really high. Talking to an elderly neighbour, whose wife has dementia, for a fairly nice one it's £1500/week but the local authority will only pay about £700/week. If they paid the staff a lot more, I hate to think how much the fees would have to go up.

Private patients subsidise the patients put there by councils.

How many care homes are owned by private equity firms?

As for paying hospitality, food processing, fruit&veg pickers etc a lot more, would we, the consumers, be prepared to foot the bill?

If we pay hospitality staff more then we wouldn't have to tip. The rest of the industries need investment in automation so the few staff that are needed can be paid more.

[woody1]

Renationalise the care "industry"...

Or Soylent Green.

Hard choices and all that.

[vetran]

So Care homes keeping confused little old ladies in a safe environment in a large old building. £1500 a week or £78,000 a year.

Keeping "turbo nutter chainsaw Sid" the vicious armed robber in Prison only costs £50,000

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/wrans...02-01.137931.h

Seems someone is making money.

[ladymuck]

Foreign students are fine, and they pay a huge amount into the universities. What's wrong is allowing them to bring in their families; they are here to study not work. When you have a proper job in the UK, then you can bring in everyone else.

So, what you're saying is that someone comes here to do a PhD that could take 5 years and they have to do that alone, without their spouse and maybe their kids? I don't agree that they should bring parents, aunts, grandparents, siblings, etc but if they are married and (especially) if they have children then bringing their family should be allowed.

Yeah, you could argue that they choose to come to the UK to study and so that's not the UK's problem but then you're failing to consider (a) university funding that subsidises the education for UK nationals and (b) some of those PhD students stay and contribute to society by working, conducting more research, setting up businesses, etc. If you tell them they can't bring their families, all that will go somewhere else.

[malvolio]

So, what you're saying is that someone comes here to do a PhD that could take 5 years and they have to do that alone, without their spouse and maybe their kids? I don't agree that they should bring parents, aunts, grandparents, siblings, etc but if they are married and (especially) if they have children then bringing their family should be allowed.

Yes I am. It's their choice if they do that. I'm not saying it's pleasant or even desirable, but it's not a right

Yeah, you could argue that they choose to come to the UK to study and so that's not the UK's problem but then you're failing to consider (a) university funding that subsidises the education for UK nationals and (b) some of those PhD students stay and contribute to society by working, conducting more research, setting up businesses, etc. If you tell them they can't bring their families, all that will go somewhere else.

No, I'm saying if they have a real job earning an income and contributing to the UK, then that's not an issue. But we have no obligation to find housing and social care for the families of non-earners. Which is the vast majority of students.

[woody1]

So Care homes keeping confused little old ladies in a safe environment in a large old building. £1500 a week or £78,000 a year.

Keeping "turbo nutter chainsaw Sid" the vicious armed robber in Prison only costs £50,000

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/wrans...02-01.137931.h

Seems someone is making money.

You'd hope that Granny was getting better facilities, and more attentive care than Sid, hence perhaps the higher cost.

The neighbour I was talking to likened care home costs to a hotel on full-board*. £700/week (£100/night) would only get you something basic.

* actually the staff-to-residents ratio is probably higher in a care home, so even more expensive to run

[vetran]

You'd hope that Granny was getting better facilities, and more attentive care than Sid, hence perhaps the higher cost.

The neighbour I was talking to likened care home costs to a hotel on full-board*. £700/week (£100/night) would only get you something basic.

* actually the staff-to-residents ratio is probably higher in a care home, so even more expensive to run

Hmm apples to kumquats..

What the elderly get is normally a studio flat normally personal or shared bathroom maybe cooking or coffee making and bedroom in basically one room. Prison is a custom built 6 by 8 frequently shared.

https://www.travelodge.co.uk/blog/ti...room-under-39/

https://www.rightmove.co.uk/property...dio-flats.html

Definitely change out of £50 a night!

staff
https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...%20June%202010.

1:3.8 - prison

https://www.thecarewhisperer.co.uk/w...20same%20ratio.

1:7 - care home

[woody1]

Definitely change out of £50 a night!

Not full board though, nor 24x7 personal care.

People usually end up in a care home because they can no longer look after themselves (eg. dementia). A studio flat would be no different to them staying at home, and definitely no substitute for a place in a care home.

[malvolio]

Not full board though, nor 24x7 personal care.

People usually end up in a care home because they can no longer look after themselves (eg. dementia). A studio flat would be no different to them staying at home, and definitely no substitute for a place in a care home.

The pros of a good care home for a relative with dementia far outweigh the cons. You won't know that until you experience it (twice, in my case).

My MiL had to go into care. We used a private one for three years at which point the house had been sold and she was down to the pitifully small amount of personal savings. The council then stepped in and took over the payments. No change in care or accommodation. Perhaps we were lucky...

[woody1]

Our neighbour is delaying putting his wife in for as long as he can, partly due to the cost. It's a terrible situation though, and very stressful on him and his son who lives at home. She's become a bit of a danger to herself (wandering off in the middle of the night etc) and a danger to the family (think of all the potential fire risks and other hazards in the home). Not good.