The Nasty Party

[northernladuk]

Could be. But Vetran is arguing from his strongly held belief that the majority of migrants who say they're children* are lying, and then trying to find data (and specious arguments) to uphold that belief. You can't shift a True Believer using logic and facts.


* Even those who can't talk or walk yet

Which is wrong as you state but even proving that he's wrong does expose some really crap figures so no one is a winner really.

[vetran]

How do you know what their individual claims are?

Btw I think Bliar's government tried to claim certain countries were safe but it was proved otherwise. (And we had the privilege of paying for it...)

I don't but the UN and the Home office do.

https://www.unhcr.org/uk/asylum-uk

Albania was the top nationality claiming asylum in the UK in the year ending September 2022 (13,650 applications).

https://www.infomigrants.net/en/post...about%201.7%25.

[SueEllen]

I don't but the UN and the Home office do.

https://www.unhcr.org/uk/asylum-uk



https://www.infomigrants.net/en/post...about%201.7%25.

That didn't answer my question.

I said how do you know what their individual claims are?

For example it is generally accepted the US is a safe country unless you are someone like Edward Snowden.

[NotAllThere]

For example it is generally accepted the US is a safe country

Safe? Have you seen the level of gun crime there?

[dsc]

Heard that the peeps at the unit said Jenrick can go and do one - good for them.

[woohoo]

Heard that the peeps at the unit said Jenrick can go and do one - good for them.

Yo, I heard the gov be tellin' the peeps to do whatever they say, no questions asked.

[vetran]

Safe? Have you seen the level of gun crime there?

Well don't go to the Bahamas, Jamaica or Trinidad on holiday then.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsan...t-of-the-world

[JustKeepSwimming]

Safe? Have you seen the level of gun crime there?

Its like knife crime here really. As in it's mainly gangs and the like, environments 'normal' folks don't tend to find themselves in.

Vast majority of America I fear the roads far more than guns.

[NotAllThere]

Well don't go to the Bahamas, Jamaica or Trinidad on holiday then.

I wasn't planning to.

[vetran]

That didn't answer my question.

I said how do you know what their individual claims are?

For example it is generally accepted the US is a safe country unless you are someone like Edward Snowden.

And I said "I don't but the UN & Home office do" Do I need to put it in bigger letters?

However the figures of 'Asylum seekers'/Economic migrants coming from safe countries does make a serious point.

Now you use a black swan to illustrate your point. Snowden is considered a traitor in the US because he broke the law about national security if we get an agreement that he is to receive humane treatment then its perfectly reasonable to send him home. Assange is unlikely to granted Asylum but may be handed over to the US subject to guarantees if Australia don't want him.

Part of the asylum process is deciding what risk those claiming Asylum are at if they are returned to their home countries. By international agreement USA, India & Albania are recognised as safe countries so they too are very unlikely to be the basis for granting asylum something extraordinary would need to be added for Asylum to be granted.