Reply to: The Nasty Party

[SueEllen]

Brummie kids to the rescue after all it is the Christian (Catholic) thing to do...

https://metro.co.uk/2023/07/22/prima...co=mosaic_home

A group of primary school children left feeling ‘ashamed of their country’ after murals were painted over at an asylum centre in Kent have sent hand-drawn pictures to the young refugees housed there instead.
Two classes of pupils, aged between eight and nine, at St Gerard’s Catholic Primary School in Birmingham, have gathered about 100 hand-drawn pictures to send to children at the Kent Intake Centre.

The drawings were sent on Friday before the school broke up for the summer holidays, with some pictures also being sent directly to immigration minister Robert Jenrick.

It comes after Mr Jenrick said the murals, which included images of Mickey Mouse and other Disney characters, were not ‘age appropriate’ for the majority of young people staying there – but reports claimed he had felt they were ‘too welcoming’.

[vetran]

Another key draw is the 'informal economy' i.e. cash in hand, making this bank transfer only and paying cash as wages illegal would go a long way to solving this. As with poor regulation of rentals which could be solved by a deposit scheme that included government input declaring the renter permitted to rent in the uk. Same with GP & Schools.

I see ID documents in our future.

[woody1]

How do you stop people accessing any part of your entire coast line?

Well, it's not the entire coastline. There are only about 30 miles of it where there's any chance of crossing the Channel in a small boat.

[northernladuk]

Surely it can't be that hard stopping boats leaving France?

Actually making an ounce of effort on the French side would go a long way to by should they? They don't give a flying monkies despite the sums paid to them.

[SueEllen]

Surely it can't be that hard stopping boats leaving France?

How do you stop people accessing any part of your entire coast line?

It's also against international law to do what the Greek coastguard have recently been alleged to have done.

[dsc]

Surely it can't be that hard stopping boats leaving France?

Probably similar to the US trying to control the Mexican border, it simply doesn't work. They drop small inflatables in the middle of the night in random locations, you simply haven't got that many people in the border patrols to cover the whole stretch of the shore. And the ones in the water already are a massive headache in terms of what to do with them, turn them back, rescue etc. France could potentially stop some migrants but then you have a ticking bomb on your hands, what the hell do you do with them? lock them in a camp? keep them in France? send them somewhere and if so where?

[Zigenare]

Surely it can't be that hard stopping boats leaving France?

How would that benefit the French?

[woody1]

Surely it can't be that hard stopping boats leaving France?

[northernladuk]

Actually there is free healthcare in the USA. Not as good as the NHS but far better than most Trumphole countries.

They know they will be rejected in France etc. they know they are economic migrants, I see Germany is starting to stagger under unlimited immigration.

And this is what the reality is. So yes, lets treat the true asylum seeks with care and compassion but lets deal with the economic migrants robustly. No problem doing our bit but we need managed migration, not open door soft touch.

[vetran]

No free houses, money and healthcare in the USA though. Kind of odd these people desperate to escape human rights abuses are happy to travel through up to 6 Western countries to get here no?

Actually there is free healthcare in the USA. Not as good as the NHS but far better than most Trumphole countries.

They know they will be rejected in France etc. they know they are economic migrants, I see Germany is starting to stagger under unlimited immigration.

[vetran]

You can still claim asylum from those countries in other countries e.g. USA

It depends what you are claiming as an individual.



Do you mean we can get rid of Just Stop Oil?

I have no problem with us taking verified Asylum seekers via official channels. Its the illegal nature that worries most people.

How many we take and how we prepare for them (building homes, GPs, Roads, schools etc needs to reflect the influx) they will have to pay their way as well.

Cameron suggested we set up an asylum clearing centre close to the source and give them temporary leave to remain so we retrain them to help rebuild their country when the fighting stops. These countries need to evolve and the only way I know to make that happen is to establish a middle class that brings jobs & prosperity, when war loses you money people tend to stop it.

I reckon the Gendarmes would make Just Stop Oil protestors stop pretty darn quickly. Setting fire to their hands and a truncheon somewhere painful would focus their minds. Our police seem to want to poison them slowly with tannin and Lactose.

[northernladuk]

Doesn't stop certain groups trying to get in there via Canada, Mexico or other American countries.

Because there are no other options. Ask them if they want to stay in the States or get a free trip here and I'll bet I know what the majority will pick.

We need to promote Spanish as the international language of business.

If they are that desperate then a language barrier shouldn't be a problem. I'd rather live in a country with a different language (even though English is widely spoken) than cross the channel in a dinghy.

[SueEllen]

No free houses, money and healthcare in the USA though.

Doesn't stop certain groups trying to get in there via Canada, Mexico or other American countries.

Kind of odd these people desperate to escape human rights abuses are happy to travel through up to 6 Western countries to get here no?

We need to promote Spanish as the international language of business.

[northernladuk]

You can still claim asylum from those countries in other countries e.g. USA

No free houses, money and healthcare in the USA though. Kind of odd these people desperate to escape human rights abuses are happy to travel through up to 6 Western countries to get here no?

[SueEllen]

Many countries are considered safe for Asylum purposes, Albania, India & Romania are considered among such countries.

You can still claim asylum from those countries in other countries e.g. USA

It depends what you are claiming as an individual.

Apparently human rights abuses are currently available in such places as York maybe the French want a few of our displaced citizens?

Do you mean we can get rid of Just Stop Oil?