Paris burns

[northernladuk]

Quite. Burning down primary school - pathetic.

And it's going to get worse. However angry you are you generally wouldn't go this far if it was your country, for immigrants it's not so any reasoning goes out the window. Not their city, not their mayor, not their country. Nothing to lose. We see towns demonstrating against the immigrants starting in the UK and it's not going to be long before a riot like this goes one step too far and it's going to be all out war. Hope I'm wrong but there is going to be a limit passed and a flash point one day.

[SueEllen]

And it's going to get worse. However angry you are you generally wouldn't go this far if it was your country, for immigrants it's not so any reasoning goes out the window.

The thing is it is their country.

They are French.

Some come from overseas departments and regions of France, while others grandparents or parents came from former French colonies but they are all French.

Before Brexit there were loads of French people living in West London of various skin colours. They all preferred being in the UK as they said the job opportunities they got in the UK they couldn't get back in France as they were the wrong class and/or colour.

[JustKeepSwimming]

The thing is it is their country.

They are French.

Some come from overseas departments and regions of France, while others grandparents or parents came from former French colonies but they are all French.

Before Brexit there were loads of French people living in West London of various skin colours. They all preferred being in the UK as they said the job opportunities they got in the UK they couldn't get back in France as they were the wrong class and/or colour.

France has a weird relationship with race. They are all big on 'No colour, just French'. In a way it seems like a noble idea to tie a society together but the effect seems to be to result in negativity against any non-French culture, which is European/White French culture.

Whereas we seem to acknowledge that many Britons have other heritage elements that compliment their Britishness rather than subtract, ie Black British, British Asian etc.

France's relationship with it's former colonies isn't the same as ours. We get a lot of flack in the anglosphere, fairly or not, but we don't tend to hear the same about France because of the language barrier. Francosphere's relationship with France is a lot more negative. Largely the French forced assimilation, the British didn't so much and just forced unequal trade. Which is why France fought hard to keep it's colonies whilst we relatively peacefully gave them up when they stop making financial sense.

Which is why I don't think we have quite the same pissed off minority groups that France has.

[northernladuk]

The thing is it is their country.

They are French.

Some come from overseas departments and regions of France, while others grandparents or parents came from former French colonies but they are all French.

Before Brexit there were loads of French people living in West London of various skin colours. They all preferred being in the UK as they said the job opportunities they got in the UK they couldn't get back in France as they were the wrong class and/or colour.

Not as simple as that though. The Algerians fought for independence right up to 1961 with 1.5 million Algerians killed and relationships have never been great. Even in recent years they are still falling it out with Macron upsetting them recently and France vastly reducing Visas from Algeria etc.

I'm sure it's very complex and nothing we can begin to understand but I don't think on the whole many of those of Algerian decent think they are truly 'French'.

[vetran]

its odd we keep thinking 1-2 generations in a country makes them locals but when we do it in reverse we are invading 'their country'?

[DoctorStrangelove]

It's even odder if you contemplate that, having thrown out the Evil Colonialists from your country, you then go & live in their country where you're surrounded by them.

[vetran]

It's even odder if you contemplate that, having thrown out the Evil Colonialists from your country, you then go & live in their country where you're surrounded by them.

Their fault for living in a Trumphole country? Sadly you can see why they want out if you start digging.

Sadly slavery is worse now than it was then

https://time.com/longform/african-slave-trade/

Slavery may seem like a relic of history. But according to the U.N.’s International Labor Organization (ILO), there are more than three times as many people in forced servitude today as were captured and sold during the 350-year span of the transatlantic slave trade. What the ILO calls “the new slavery” takes in 25 million people in debt bondage and 15 million in forced marriage. As an illicit industry, it is one of the world’s most lucrative, earning criminal networks $150 billion a year, just behind drug smuggling and weapons trafficking. “Modern slavery is far and away more profitable now than at any point in human history,” says Siddharth Kara, an economist at the Carr Center for Human Rights Policy.