Reply to: Paris burns

[vetran]

It's even odder if you contemplate that, having thrown out the Evil Colonialists from your country, you then go & live in their country where you're surrounded by them.

Their fault for living in a Trumphole country? Sadly you can see why they want out if you start digging.

Sadly slavery is worse now than it was then

https://time.com/longform/african-slave-trade/

Slavery may seem like a relic of history. But according to the U.N.’s International Labor Organization (ILO), there are more than three times as many people in forced servitude today as were captured and sold during the 350-year span of the transatlantic slave trade. What the ILO calls “the new slavery” takes in 25 million people in debt bondage and 15 million in forced marriage. As an illicit industry, it is one of the world’s most lucrative, earning criminal networks $150 billion a year, just behind drug smuggling and weapons trafficking. “Modern slavery is far and away more profitable now than at any point in human history,” says Siddharth Kara, an economist at the Carr Center for Human Rights Policy.

[DoctorStrangelove]

It's even odder if you contemplate that, having thrown out the Evil Colonialists from your country, you then go & live in their country where you're surrounded by them.

[vetran]

its odd we keep thinking 1-2 generations in a country makes them locals but when we do it in reverse we are invading 'their country'?

[northernladuk]

The thing is it is their country.

They are French.

Some come from overseas departments and regions of France, while others grandparents or parents came from former French colonies but they are all French.

Before Brexit there were loads of French people living in West London of various skin colours. They all preferred being in the UK as they said the job opportunities they got in the UK they couldn't get back in France as they were the wrong class and/or colour.

Not as simple as that though. The Algerians fought for independence right up to 1961 with 1.5 million Algerians killed and relationships have never been great. Even in recent years they are still falling it out with Macron upsetting them recently and France vastly reducing Visas from Algeria etc.

I'm sure it's very complex and nothing we can begin to understand but I don't think on the whole many of those of Algerian decent think they are truly 'French'.

[JustKeepSwimming]

The thing is it is their country.

They are French.

Some come from overseas departments and regions of France, while others grandparents or parents came from former French colonies but they are all French.

Before Brexit there were loads of French people living in West London of various skin colours. They all preferred being in the UK as they said the job opportunities they got in the UK they couldn't get back in France as they were the wrong class and/or colour.

France has a weird relationship with race. They are all big on 'No colour, just French'. In a way it seems like a noble idea to tie a society together but the effect seems to be to result in negativity against any non-French culture, which is European/White French culture.

Whereas we seem to acknowledge that many Britons have other heritage elements that compliment their Britishness rather than subtract, ie Black British, British Asian etc.

France's relationship with it's former colonies isn't the same as ours. We get a lot of flack in the anglosphere, fairly or not, but we don't tend to hear the same about France because of the language barrier. Francosphere's relationship with France is a lot more negative. Largely the French forced assimilation, the British didn't so much and just forced unequal trade. Which is why France fought hard to keep it's colonies whilst we relatively peacefully gave them up when they stop making financial sense.

Which is why I don't think we have quite the same pissed off minority groups that France has.

[SueEllen]

And it's going to get worse. However angry you are you generally wouldn't go this far if it was your country, for immigrants it's not so any reasoning goes out the window.

The thing is it is their country.

They are French.

Some come from overseas departments and regions of France, while others grandparents or parents came from former French colonies but they are all French.

Before Brexit there were loads of French people living in West London of various skin colours. They all preferred being in the UK as they said the job opportunities they got in the UK they couldn't get back in France as they were the wrong class and/or colour.

[northernladuk]

Quite. Burning down primary school - pathetic.

And it's going to get worse. However angry you are you generally wouldn't go this far if it was your country, for immigrants it's not so any reasoning goes out the window. Not their city, not their mayor, not their country. Nothing to lose. We see towns demonstrating against the immigrants starting in the UK and it's not going to be long before a riot like this goes one step too far and it's going to be all out war. Hope I'm wrong but there is going to be a limit passed and a flash point one day.

[SueEllen]

I read that and at first - what during a seance?

[vetran]

Now the deceased gran is telling them to stop and they have tried to kill a Mayor and his family.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...to-500-arrests

I read that and at first - what during a seance?

[SueEllen]

Now the deceased gran is telling them to stop and they have tried to kill a Mayor and his family.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...to-500-arrests

“Stop rioting, stop destroying,” the grandmother, named as Nadia, told BFMTV. “I say this to those who are rioting: do not smash windows, attack schools and buses. Stop. It’s mothers who take those buses.” The rioters, mostly minors, were “using Nahel as an excuse”, she said. “We want things to calm down.”

In the most serious incident on Saturday night, rioters rammed a burning car into the home of Vincent Jeanbrun, the mayor of L’Haÿ-les-Roses, nine miles (15km) south of Paris, at about 1.30am. Jeanbrun was at the town hall at the time, but his wife and one of his two children, aged five and seven, were injured as they fled.

[NotAllThere]

... I've zero sympathy for people that think rioting and looting is a way to show how angry...

Quite. Burning down primary school - pathetic.

[northernladuk]

from the videos on BBC etc there are a lot of white bystanders filming it on their phones.

Hmm. Good point and one I made myself, the looting has F all to do with race so guess it's not a problem. Still, not the smartest move IMO.

[vetran]

WHich is the modus opperandi of every riot isn't it? Not sure why anyone thought it would be any different.



When hasn't it been? And the riots tend to be from a minoirty group who believe they are hard done to (in some cases quite rightly) but then it decends in to elements of the same group looting. It's kind of synonymous with the groups that feel the need to riot if you get me.


Yes they are. Can't sugar coat it if you want to get to the bottom of it. Maybe not particular but a vast majoity from the minoities, and in a city like this from the immigrants who have nothing so it's open season. There maybe some white looters but it's a brave white guy that goes looking when there is a race riot going on.

Might be being a bit straight to the point but I've zero sympathy for people that think rioting and looting is a way to show how angry and hard done to they are. Looters are just common theives and nothing to do with the anger at whatever issue is going on. Just opportunists out to steal.

from the videos on BBC etc there are a lot of white bystanders filming it on their phones.

[northernladuk]

So it appears people are just using it as an excuse to steal.

WHich is the modus opperandi of every riot isn't it? Not sure why anyone thought it would be any different.

No some looters are white, however from most video's non whites seem to be the majority enjoying a bit of thieving. Not sure if they are over represented in that area like many parts of London that rioted or they tend to indulge more.

When hasn't it been? And the riots tend to be from a minoirty group who believe they are hard done to (in some cases quite rightly) but then it decends in to elements of the same group looting. It's kind of synonymous with the groups that feel the need to riot if you get me.

I'm on about the incident that starts the riots that have looting tends to be a race based incident. Not that the looters or rioters are any particular race.

Yes they are. Can't sugar coat it if you want to get to the bottom of it. Maybe not particular but a vast majoity from the minoities, and in a city like this from the immigrants who have nothing so it's open season. There maybe some white looters but it's a brave white guy that goes looking when there is a race riot going on.

Might be being a bit straight to the point but I've zero sympathy for people that think rioting and looting is a way to show how angry and hard done to they are. Looters are just common theives and nothing to do with the anger at whatever issue is going on. Just opportunists out to steal.

[JustKeepSwimming]

No some looters are white, however from most video's non whites seem to be the majority enjoying a bit of thieving. Not sure if they are over represented in that area like many parts of London that rioted or they tend to indulge more.

I'm on about the incident that starts the riots that have looting tends to be a race based incident. Not that the looters or rioters are any particular race.